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Tman127182's picture
Illusions

Certain theists claims that the brain is a wonderful creation by a god, well, here is an example of how our brain can be easily deceived.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xcvWSeZPbw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5otGNbkuc

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Trevor's picture
I think even if it can be

I think even if it can be easily deceived, they still consider it divine creation because unlike other animals we have reasoning. But i dont support the idea that our "reasoning" grants us any privileges.

Tman127182's picture
Actually, there are other

Actually, there are other animals that have reasoning, like for example crows, they are known to use tools and problem solve, as well as strategically plan ahead.

Matty Arnold's picture
I love TEDtalks :D

I love TEDtalks :D

It's really quite ironic that it's this tendency for the brain to be so easily deceived that's led to the belief in it's divine origins in the first place. For one, the intricacy of the brain screams 'design'; for some people it can be hard to see past this illusion and consider the much more logical and scientifically supported theory of it's evolution.

Trevor's picture
Indeed while the universe

While the universe cant be explained with true accuracy yet. We do have very logical and solid explanations for how we evolved into what we are now.

Rob's picture
You can see in recent studies

You can see in recent studies done to other animal species, just exactly how they evolve depending on the way they are treated. Within 4 generations of a species of fox, they kept half of them in captivity inside cages and they would always be feed without close human contact, and the other half was raised inside a house, in a garden with plenty of human contact.

Then, after two generations, you could already see that the foxes which had human contact didnt react agressively towards people, but they still kept their distance most of the time, and the ones that lived in cages, always acted extremely aggresive to any human being that came too close to them. This proves that the wild animal has a genetical aprehension towards any creature they dont interact with. But it also proves that you can change that genetic code into something different. By the fourth generation, the fox that received human contact was almost as friendly and social as a dog, and just as friendly and social as a cat.

This is the reason why I have more tolerance towards people that seem to act ilogically more frequently than others.This usually happens because they are genetically predisposed to doing things that are harmful to them. In layman's terms, they are more likely to be stupid. Perhaps because both their parents also failed to reach a certain maturity by the age they had their first child, and some never even reached any level of maturity at all. So a combination of genetical flaws and bad parenting is always the perfect mix for disaster, but i do believe that good parenting can overcome bad genes, unless they are truly bad genes.

In my case I feel I owe my emotional inteligence and my drive to achieve maturity to my father. Who in my opinion has great emotional maturity in many ways, but also heavy social vainity flaws that make him human. While my mother never had much emotional maturity in many ways, she inherited me with genes that make me someone who truly cares for those he loves, and their well being is more important to me than my own. Both my parents are somewhat flawed but also heavily gifted, and many people have the horrible faith of being born out of two heavily flawed people. I think understanding this, helps us deal with problematic people a lot better, and helps give patience to those who are even more genetically gifted than us too. Because there is always someone more evolved and mature than we are. Some people are just to vain to admit it or believe it, and this is part of their immaturity.

People should educate their children to become mature enough by the time they reach their late teens. And most of us in the western world, and I include myself, didnt receive proper education regarding discipline and emotional maturity. Most westerners that do reach maturity, do so at around 40 years of age. Because we believe that spoiling our kids is ok, and they should be treated as kids and as teens when they are at those ages. I have heard so many parents avoid responsibility for their children by saying "He's just a kid, let him be rude and bratty if he wants to". But it is those early years that dictate how long it will take him to reach maturity at a level that grants proper genes to be passed along.

In the far east. people half the age of westerners are already as mature and more capable of passing good gene traits. Because their parents never spoiled them. Having a good childhood doesnt mean being allowed to obtain things without effort, or to feel better than others and allowed to mock others. A good childhood means being allowed to enjoy a happy life without mental or physical abuse.

Matty Arnold's picture
Rob, you've got some very

Rob, you've got some very interesting ideas there. I also heard about a fox experiment, I'm not sure if it was the same one or not but after several generations, not only were the foxes friendly to humans but they began to look remarkably like border collies with drooping ears and black and white fur.

One thing I'd like to mention is be careful about not confusing genetic traits and ones learned from the environment. While it is true that the emotional maturity of your parents is partially genetic, (and so yours is likely to be at least similar), the major factor impacting on your own emotional maturity is probably environmental and learned by the way your parents act towards you and your observations of your superiors at an early age. In your final paragraph you mention that in the far east, children are more capable of possessing good 'gene traits' because they weren't spoiled. I understand what you mean here and I completely agree with you. Just be aware that be spoiled or not as a child wouldn't affect your genetic make-up directly, even though it would have an effect on your personality.

I agree with your point about letting kids be rude and bratty just because they're kids. I'm thankful that I wasn't brought up like that, it wouldn't have done me any good!

Rob's picture
I know what you mean Matty,

I know what you mean Matty, and indeed being spoiled will not affect your genetic makeup directly, but the maturity will be hindered quite a bit. I do agree with you that emotional maturity is mostly a combination of how your parents raise you and the things you go through in life.

And I also do not believe people should blame their genes on their immaturity. Your genes simply predispose you to have more difficulty dealing with certain things, but that doesnt mean you cant evolve into a much better human being than your parents. I know cases of people that come from broken homes of drunken and abusive parents and they are outstanding people regardless of their troubled childhood after being raised by such bad parents.

AnimalLeader's picture
The combination of bad

The combination of bad genetics and substandard parenting is the most lethal mix.

Walker's picture
I will look for this study

I will look for this study done to foxes it seems very interesting, but i know it has been widely documented that environmental factors influence genetics quite a lot in the following generation, but it seems like this study does it in a more organized way.

Rob's picture
Here is the video of that

Here is the video of that documentary - Evolution in Action: The Silver Fox Experiment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoB0pdhxfZs

Heather's picture
That was an awesome video,

That was an awesome video, Rob! It's amazing how much they changed in such a short amount of time.

DarkLight's picture
Darwin was completely right

Darwin was completely right about evolution.

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