When asked about whether or not Stephen Hawkings believed in God before he died.
Atheists said "No".
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He did believe in God before he died? Can you Explain it?
You are not Stephen Hawking's BODY and SOUL to explain that.
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But I give a hint and you need a Deep Faith.
If you are Catholic or NOT... Stephen Hawking meet 4 Popes in the Catholic Christian Church (Disciple of Jesus Christ)
And his wife is a CATHOLIC... As Catholic you have faith in God.. His wife show full OF LOVE to Husband until the END.
Do YOU think Stephen Hawking.. Did NOT encounter God.. And Did not Believe in GOD?
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If you are bible reader as atheists as like to claim they have read the bible.
You should analyse this verse (Mt. 25:31-46)
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MR. Stephen Hawking's had many GOOD contributions to show his Love to God:
- SUPPORT his family,
- His talent as a scientist in the world,
- HE HIS A MEMBER IN VATICAN SOCIETY IN SCIENCE,
- A Good friend;
- A Good neighbour;
- A Good Person;
These SHOW his FAITH to God by his works -> JAMES 2:14-20
I Hope YOU KNOW THE TRUTH that Stephen Hawkings Believe in God by his Good works to others (MT. 22:39).
Do you believe that??
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Paul Pores, you are not Stephen Hawking's body and soul (what does that even mean?) to declare he believed in god. You lie.
He never claimed any faith in any god and he did not make a conversion on his death bed. And I need no faith, deep or otherwise to believe that. I even read that the claim of his conversion was false in a catholic newspaper article.
Your bible quotes are meaningless because your intention is dishonest.
Yes, I do not think Hawking encountered nor believed in god.
I also believe that all the following which you claim for him -
SUPPORT his family,
His talent as a scientist in the world,
HE HIS A MEMBER IN VATICAN SOCIETY IN SCIENCE (which does not require a declaration of faith in your god)
A Good friend;
A Good neighbour;
A Good Person;
- he did these things and many others, because he was a good person, (something you obviously struggle to achieve yourself) and not because he believed or wanted to serve your god.
Meanwhile you are a deluded deplorable fanatic distorting the truth about good people who have died. Shame!
I remind you, of Exodus 23:1 Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.
My point above can be proved by passages in the Bible:
And I pray his soul go to heaven. In final Judgement Day of Jesus Christ (Mt. 25:31-46)
If you know A Person had God in heart, mind; body and soul.. See the Good works in action of his characters (Jn. 13:34-35)
If a person does Bad works to his Action of Their Body.. Anto-10 Commandments and Disciple OF Satan (Jn. 8:44)
@ Paul Pores
"My point above can be proved by passages in the Bible:"
No it fekking cant you pustardly veximonius piece of vixen menstrue. Hike your false ware to a more receptive venue you sugar coated penarsemous morsel of neurosophysical, semenless, mumpsimus, lardfarter of mendacious mimism.
gah!
In all honesty - What the hell difference does it make whether Stephen Hawking believed in God or not. Is this the argument from authority? Stephen's "beliefs" have no bearing on anyone's life. His scientific insights on the other hand were quite influential in the scientific field. I have heard Hawking's arguments for black holes but I have never heard his argument for the existence of God.. Why isn't there a Hawking argument for the existence of god?
That is precisely what this is, a tacky attempt at yet another posthumous conversion to make a fallacious appeal to authority. These people are as stupid as they are immoral.
@Paul Pores
You are talking fucking bollocks you asinine fucktard.
Professor Stephen Hawking was an outspoken atheist, he stated publicly and unequivocally on many occasions that he didn't believe in any deity. That's what's called objective evidence.
What objective evidence have you that he changed this disbelief before he died?
This kind of posthumous conversion of prominent atheists is the norm. All it shows is how desperately dishonest theists can be, and how much it really bothers them that other humans can live and more importantly die, untroubled by their delusional superstitious beliefs.
Next time a theist is hysterically demanding respect for their beliefs in magic apples and talking snakes, it's worth pointing this claim about Professor Hawking, and other prominent atheists as a reflection of how little respect they show those who don't share their beliefs.
The real irony is how often they try to claim people like Hitler were atheists. A man who was born raised and baptised a Catholic, an alter boy who remained a Christian until his death. Stating publicly and on multiple occasions that he was a Christian, even at the very end when all political mileage had long since vanished from the claim.
These shameless cheap tacky Christians waste their time lying to try and posthumously convert known atheists like Hawking and Einstein and Darwin, whilst simultaneously lying to deny the Christian beliefs of people like Hitler and Goebbels.
How predictably pathetic..
"Do you believe that??"
No, it's moronic nonsense, and it's Hawking not Hawkings, you're thinking of Treasure Island perhaps.
Jesus wept...
It is a passing fad on the internet lately. Dumb asses who never read a book by Hawkings while he was alive are now spreading rumors of a death bed conversion. If this was true they should head straight to the book store and buy a copy of "A Brief History Of Time".
PaulP is typical of so many religionists: starts with a conclusion, ignores all evidence and twists every thought and word to fit his own delusions and wishful thinking. Either that or he's a troll.
This type of nonsense seems particularly common in the USA. Trump, gun-nuttery, climate change denial, Scientology, "In God We Trust"... sometimes one wonders if there's something in the water! :-)
Well, back in the sixties those damned commies did put fluoride in our water supply.....or, was it LSD? Have to research that...get back with you later!
@ZeffD
I agree, PaulP is obviously a fundamentalist who needs the fairytales to give his life meaning. He does ignore evidence, twist facts, invent his own facts, is deluded and thinks that quoting a man-written book he's either memorized or has a quick reference by his computer gives him any credibility or respect - especially here.
I once had a friend who was an expert of fairies - he wrote a book chronicalling all fairies, types, origins, what happens when a fairy dies, gets injured, has children, what they eat, if they have magic and what kinds they possess, etc. He wrote it, memorized it and became an EXPERT on fairies. All, without ever seeing one fairy, without finding one scrap of evidence they really exist and completely from his own imagination. Still, people go to him for advice about fairy's... even pay him.
Does his writing about fairy's make them real? No. Does his book about fairy's that took him years to write make fairies exist or prove they ever existed? No. Does his credibility among those who want to believe in fairy's and his authority on fairies make fairies real? No.
Memorizing, quoting and commenting from a dead book written by men who never saw or experienced anything in that book and who may, in fact, be fictions themselves gives people like PaulP no authority but only makes me sad for PaulP or angry at him and his ignorance. Angry, because I know he is causing damage to others who want and need the same addictions to fairytales to give their lives meaning. Sad, because this is so avoidable.
However, I do find I am at odds with comments like "gun-nuttery," or "climate change denial," etc. Atheists are thinkers and we one reason we are not a united front is because we DO think. What does this mean? It means that often we do not agree on issues that are as diverse as socialism or capitalism, veganism or carnivorous lifestyles, homosexuality or heterosexuality or pansexuality, gun control, the value of coffee or salt in our diets, dogs vs cats, having children or not, marriage or not, etc.
Putting others who do not agree with you because of your personal flavor of life or beliefs - even those outside of the simple question "is there a god or not?" doesn't work with atheists, we are diverse.
I don't drink the water... of any issue. I trust, but research, verify, learn, grow, adjust, repeat. My truth about gun control may not be your truth about gun control and we may not see that issue the same - even though we may both believe there is no evidence in god and call ourselves atheists.
Peace, altruism, serving others, socialism - all have unique definitions to each of us probably and I'd be willing to bet none of our definitions agree, nor our applications of those principles. For instance, I think Ayn Rand had a lot of it right... a hugely unpopular position today. No, not all things and certainly not most things - but many she did get right. I love Christopher Hitchens on religion and god but did not buy into his "comrades" and socialist agendas. I am for gun ownership and the right of every individual to protect himself and his family from others - including government but I am also for gun control. I am clearly for looking more closely at the connection to pharmaceuticals and drugs to the shootings and killings over the years - and mental illness as a whole - much more than I'm interested in stopping the production or sale of knives and guns to sane people.
I don't know about many things - so when asked, I simply say "I don't know." or maybe "based on what I currently understand I feel or think or believe or hold - position "x."
it's funny to me that people also don't look at the reframes of these topics - for instance, I'm all for keeping guns out of the hands of crazy people who may do stupid with them - I also don't believe most people know what to do with guns or how to properly use them or the laws surrounding the use of guns - but, I am not for "Letting every Tom, Dick and Sally own a gun." That is a reframe of a much more complex issue.
Nothing is ever easy or simple, in my experience.
Still, PaulP is either sincerely delusional and knows it but loves the comfort it gives him or he is sincerely wrong, and doesn't care. What PaulP is not, however, is reasoning, logical, rational or clear thinking and unbiased. These kinds of things are necessary for any productive conversation about anything... even non-god issues.
The bible says that atheists are incapable of doing good. That atheists are capable of doing good does not make them believers in god, it only proves the bible false.
You have not read the bible as many atheists haven't. Don't fool yourself.
My point above can be proved by passages in the Bible:
And I pray his soul go to heaven. In final Judgement Day of Jesus Christ (Mt. 25:31-46)
If you know A Person had God in heart, mind; body and soul.. See the Good works in action of his characters (Jn. 13:34-35)
If a person does Bad works to his Action of Their Body.. Anto-10 Commandments and Disciple OF Satan (Jn. 8:44)
You obviously don't know your bible as much as you'd like to think. It does indeed say that atheists are incapable of doing good. As this is not true, the bible is false.
"You have not read the bible as many atheists haven't. "
1) I've not read Harry Potter, does that mean I can't reject a claim that wizardry is real from someone who has?
2) Could you evidence that claim please, citation for the research showing how many atheists were involved in your research, as it sounds like a lie you have made up to me.
"And I pray his soul go to heaven."
Knock yourself out, he's past caring now, and I doubt he cared much when he was alive judging from his public professions of atheism.
Professor Stephen Hawking was an atheist, and that was his choice. You need to try growing up, and realising there are people who don't care what you believe. Your arrogant sententious preaching is nauseating, and not appreciated. Do you really think such puerile behaviour will cause people who don't share those beliefs to hold them in a higher regard?
I'm an atheist because no one can demonstrate a shred of evidence for any deity, and it's a fact that humans create fictional deities. I'm still an atheist, but your digesting display just makes me think your beliefs have made you arrogant, selfish and immoral, as well as being fictitious nonsense.
So, Pp is back with his lying bullshit and proselytizing again!
You claim that Hawkings had a deathbed conversion but you don't have ANY fucking proof. You never have ANY fucking proof. All you do is TROLL because you are an asshole!
At best, he is making an association fallacy.
Who would have thought it? Four popes were atheists!
@Sapporo: Four popes were atheists!
Only four?
He was a dedicated atheist ( he declared) and tried to find out the mysteries of this universe.
And this topic named 'god' is being linked to him when he disagreed with it.
He was a very great and intelligent man.
He deserves some serious respect.
Not these linkings with 'god'
Paradoxically the sadistic Albanian nun the RCC have decided was a saint, was an atheist and expressed in letter to her superiors in the church that he had lost her faith. They and she chose shamelessly to keep this from the public of course.
In a letter, written to Jesus at her confessor's request:
"I call, I cling, I want ... and there is no One to answer ... no One on Whom I can cling ... no, No One. Alone ... Where is my Faith ... even deep down right in there is nothing, but emptiness & darkness ... My God ... how painful is this unknown pain ... I have no Faith ... I dare not utter the words & thoughts that crowd in my heart ... & make me suffer untold agony.
So many unanswered questions live within me afraid to uncover them ... because of the blasphemy ... If there be God ... please forgive me ... When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven there is such convicting emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives & hurt my very soul. I am told God loves me ... and yet the reality of darkness & coldness & emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul."
5 crackpot points for each word in all caps. I count about 25; so about 125 crackpot points.
I counted 29 in the OP, Nyar.
Whoops. Correction. 31 capitalized words in the OP. (Forgot to count the heading.)