If there is a god, why does he allow many to suffer? Why does he not do something about hunger, war, senseless killings, rape, diseases, etc? Does he not love us? Or is it his way of showing love? Isn't he supposed to be a merciful and loving god? Look at what's happening around--extremists killing hundreds of people in different parts of the world, homeless people (children and adults alike) dying from hunger and exposure, girls being exploited and abused, less fortunate people being treated as slaves, and so on. Why isn't god doing anything about all these? Does he not want us, as his "children" and "creation", to be happy and live in peace? What does he really want from us?
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Free will.
"Free will."
Several problems here, firstly suffering existed long before humans evolved. Secondly suffering would still exist without humans, and thirdly we don't have free will, it's a misnomer.
Despite centuries of apologetics on the subject theologians have failed to validate theodicy.
"If there is a god, why does he allow many to suffer?"
He enjoys seeing people suffer. He engineered the world to work this way.
Look at what he did to his innocent son instead of just forgiving whatever he thinks humans did to him.
Suffering is a requirement even for god to be able to forgive.
He just can't help himself.
Lily, "he" probably doesn't exist. "He" was a mechanism which may have served some purpose in an earlier incarnation of the human psyche. If you think of communal knowledge of humanity as a sort of tao, you will see that it has matured in it's need to name a cause of the unknown. We still look for answers, but in the natural world. And more importantly: with the knowledge that the natural world is so much more than what we can glean through our limited physical senses. The transcendent is comforting and in some instances valuable; but it belongs in its place, as an ephemeral and imaginative construct of each of us individually. The transcendent does not really exist, and so gods, ghosts and Grimm fairy tales *probably* do not exist.
I feel a need to slightly expand upon my answer. It is not merely that the human need to put a name on the unknown has matured toward seeking answers in the natural world; it is that our tao has matured beyond the stage where we allow ourselves to answer questions with made-up shit. We know fairy tales when we see them, and are not satisfied with answers that are dependent upon some unknown wizard behind the curtain. I don't know if that makes sense, but I hope it helps.
Okay, one more clarification: What I'm getting at is that we are the puppetmasters of whatever fictional characters or archetypes we dream up or adopt from others. Any personality traits or intentions of these characters are a reflection of our hopes, fears, etc. As such, they will always fall short of ideal; because what we want doesn't always jibe with what is. Trying to find meaning in this way is the same as asking, "why do I want there to be no suffering when there is suffering," or, "why did this child get abused when I didn't want that a child should get abused?" The real difference here is that with these questions one can focus on ones own feelings about things instead of externalizing. I think... maybe.
The Holy Spirit, given at conversion to those who obey God (Acts 2:38; 5:32), defines God’s character. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
-If you really accepted God as our savior, you don't question anything for what is happening, just believe in His will. Yes, i should say JUST BELIEVE, yes just believe. Say whatever you want, i am idiot, ignorant. I don't care. You can't put your shoe to God. And Hey ? Instead of thinking for what is happening around you better start it with your self, start to be one the instrument of goodness. For me,with or without religion as long as you are not the problem in the society who i am to judge you ? As long as you were not doing something bad to others. MAY BE THE RIGHT FOR ME IS NOT THE RIGHT FOR YOU. If you don't need God to be good, so be it. But me, not that literally that i need God to be good, but as a believer, i am doing the rights things knowing that God did.
#Respect
Welp. I was straight up depressed for awhile (by this, I mean OCD and having "blaspehmous thoughts" every second of the day), accepted god as savior (or extremely close to it. The reason why I maybe "fully" didn't was because I thought following Christian rules were too hard for me to follow, but I still tried my absolute hardest) in hopes of god fixing me, and it did nothing but worsen my thoughts. Had it for many more months. Didn't question anything, didn't do anything. I was at my breaking point where I just said "screw it". Literally in minutes after getting to that point, 99% of it went away.
Why ?
@Illuminatus
I don't necessarily disagree with your comment, but it is highly questionable.
First, quoting bible scripture isn't a very good idea if you want to show the benevolence of god. Since it tells of your assumed god encouraging slavery and wallowing in threats, extortion, killings, genocide and infanticide.
"If you really accepted God as our savior, you don't question anything for what is happening, just believe in His will. Yes, i should say JUST BELIEVE, yes just believe. Say whatever you want, i am idiot, ignorant. I don't care."
If we didn't question things, if we weren't curious to find out how things work, we would still be trying to cure disease by sacrificing birds and splattering blood on the sick (Leviticus 14).
If you want to stay in such a pocket of anti-knowledge, that is your choice. But there are no answers to be found when not questioning anything. Why wouldn't your god want you to question things?
"Instead of thinking for what is happening around you better start it with your self, start to be one the instrument of goodness. For me,with or without religion as long as you are not the problem in the society who i am to judge you ? As long as you were not doing something bad to others. MAY BE THE RIGHT FOR ME IS NOT THE RIGHT FOR YOU. If you don't need God to be good, so be it."
I agree. If everyone had this attitude, the world would be a much better place.
Unfortunately, this does not solve all the problems that religion causes. Faith, as in belief without sufficient evidence, allows people to live disconnected from reality. In this state, it's very easy for people to think they are doing good, when in fact they are doing harm.
That's why I started the thread "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions"
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/road-hell-paved-good-i...
And the thread "The dark side of Theism"
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/dark-side-theism
There are lots of examples to find there.
"...as a believer, i am doing the rights things knowing that God did."
This is something that rings a bell in my head: "knowing"??
To use the word "know" is to lie to yourself. You are taking a leap of faith, you put all your hope on being right, but I seriously doubt that you "know". If you indeed feel that you do "know", what are you basing that on?
Dear Brothers and Sisters,
Lily has asked a valid question and yes there is a valid answer to her question.
I will limit my opinion to what I know and I will try to maximize my reply with what One God knows- Because God knows best. One God was there before there was any creation and so we must listen to what One God has to Say about it. Human mind is just limited to the things it sees and experience. That's why God sent messengers to convey His message to Mankind. Every messenger had blessings of One God some got the scriptures , some spoke directly to One God and also through an Angel.
Now coming to the point - Why God Allow suffering?
First of all we need to know and believe that this life is temporary as we all know and believe. Billions have come and gone, even messengers didnt live forever. So that suggests that everything will come to and end except Almighty God. So first of all suffering is not forever in this world. Life is a test and suffering is a test of one's Faith and Trust in Almighty. And the fruit of that is much much greater than the suffering. Suffering will end one day but what we sow today shall reap forever in the after life. If there was no suffering people would have never thought of Almighty. If a child is suffering from a disease its a test of fathers faith for if he is patient and steadfast even with this suffering he will have a greater reward in afterlife. If someone is hungry or poor then they should not lose faith because the poors will be the first ones to enter paradise on the day of judgement. They wont be responsible for the money they never had. How they spent it and earned it. Extremism is there on both sides. And that will remain untill there is peace on both sides. So suffering is not a bad thing in this life because it will have great reward in afterlife. Now I must share some beautiful verses from the Holy Book (Quran) of what is life worth in this world and the afterlife. If you go through the book once you will find answer and reason to every question you'll ever have in your mind. Because Almighty Knows Best. Almighty knows his creation very well.
Lets go to chpater 40 verse 39 of the Holy Quran. One God Almighty Allah says: As Quran's in Arabic, Allah means One God in Arabic.
"O my people! Truly, this life of the world is nothing but a (quick passing) enjoyment, and verily, the Hereafter that is the home that will remain forever."
Allah then says:
"And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient"
(2:155)
Allah further says in Quran:
He Who created death and life to test which of you is best in action. He is the Almighty, the Ever-Forgiving. (Surat al-Mulk: 2)
Allah says in Chapter 8 verse 28
“And know that your possessions and your children are but a trial and that surely, with Allaah is a mighty reward”
[al-Anfaal 8:28
And it is He who has made you successors upon the earth and has raised some of you above others in degrees (of rank) that He may try you through what He has given you. Indeed, your Lord is swift in penalty; but indeed, He is Forgiving and Merciful.
(6:165)
We are told by Allah that life is a test, and the means by which we are tested include: -
· Wealth/possessions in terms of gain and loss
· Status/success in terms of gain and loss
· Other people/children
· Falsehood and verbal abuse
· General difficulties/hardships
· Hunger
· Fear
· Death of those you care about
· Yourself (physically and mentally)
On the day We gather them together—when it will seem if they had tarried no more than an hour of a single day... (Surah Yunus: 45)
On the Day the Last Hour arrives, the evildoers will swear they have not even tarried for an hour. That is the extent to which they are deceived. (Surat ar-Rum: 55)
So Turn to Your Lord Almighty before you return to Him. Associate no partners with Almighty. Be the one who submits to One and Only Allah (Muslim). Yes arabic translation for Muslim is the one who submits to One God. And Islam means to Submit and Surrender and be Patient. Hope this answers all your questions.
May Allah Guide you to the right path. Ameen
"Life is a test and suffering is a test of one's Faith and Trust in Almighty."
Did it occur to you that your god is forcing upon inferior beings this test because he loves testing people on how much they can withstand suffering?
You say, it is a test with such confidence that you assume this is a good thing.
When you force someone to be tested, you are a dictator like your god.
We were created to suffer god's test is what you are saying.
This basically shows how evil and psychotic your god is.
The fact that you cannot even grasp the idea of this evil concept and then preach it as a reason to excuse your imagined god from all the suffering he brings, shows the level of mental damage your religion inflicts on the mind of innocent children like you.
The truth is that there is no test, there is just life, it may be hard and it may be enjoyable.
There is no mind behind it all else it is either evil or doesn't give a dam about you.
You seem to admit that there is an evil mind but you wish to call it a good mind because you were conditioned from birth to do so, not because it actually is.
Jamalt gives us a clear view on how one should not react.
He is, by all means, our lost friend, trapped in the circle of 'his religion', forced to defend 'his faith' , never had a chance to question anything, before he even could walk or talk, his parent or his family passed him the story of the godess they had choosen to follow.
As a child, he followed the believes of his father, respect to him.
When the time comes (read : if he will be ready and open minded) we will meet a friend , born out of ignorance.
Jeff, I don't agree with all your assumptions here, but there are a couple of great sentences:
"The truth is that there is no test, there is just life, it may be hard and it may be enjoyable.
There is no mind behind it all else it is either evil or doesn't give a dam about you."
Well said, bro.
Thanks
I simply explained the implications of what one means when he says.
"Life is a test from god."
If that is true then god created us to test us without our consent, in a life of injustice, suffering and pain.
This is without a shadow of a doubt the act of a dictator that plays with his lab rats.
Some make it to find the cheese but some die on the way, in either case the dictator puts and extracts the rats at his will.
The rat has no say in the matter and neither do we.
This cannot be the action of a benevolent being but an evil one that decides the level of suffering one will receive and when to separate him from his loved ones and in what way.
I am roughly explaining the implications here, not making assumptions.
[Jeff] "This is without a shadow of a doubt the act of a dictator that plays with his lab rats.
Some make it to find the cheese but some die on the way, in either case the dictator puts and extracts the rats at his will."
..............so are humans equally evil for using ACTUAL lab rats in an attempt to progress medicine and science and lip stickness?
Humans do it because it a necessary evil "in an attempt to progress medicine and science and lip stickness".
God is omniscient and has no such limitations, therefore he has no valid reason to commit evil doings, thus the theistic god is immoral and unjust.
Jeff, I think you are putting unneccesary restrictions on a being you don't believe exists
"unneccesary restrictions"
they are not.
I'm pointing out the contradiction that if you claim that a loving and just god exists, you cannot then claim that he makes a cruel and unjust test.
I am appealing to logic here, it does not matter what I believe or not.
BTW
I KNOW that the theistic god exists, it exists in the head of people that effect our lives.
Jeff, you're not listening to what I'm saying. You fail to consider the wide range of possibilities for the characteristics of theistic gods. you are effectively brainwashed into believing christians and muslims have the only say on the matter
sorry for late reply, honestly missed this one.
"You fail to consider the wide range of possibilities for the characteristics of theistic gods."
Well I am assuming that when one believes in a theistic god he believes in the following:
An omniscient, omnipotent, loving god (with a personality).
If he does not posses at the bare minimum those attributes then he is not a Theistic god.
"you are effectively brainwashed into believing Christians and Muslims have the only say on the matter"
What does it matter, I am debating with a Muslim/Christian, so I am focusing on this type of theistic god.
Why do you need to dodge the question and deviate from the subject?
If the Christian/Muslim(theistic) god made life as a test then he is evil.
If there is anybody who does not understand the point, it is you, I am sill waiting for a reply on why you left such a comment:
"putting unneccesary restrictions on a being you don't believe exists"
Those are not unnecessary restrictions because I was talking to a Christian/Muslim which has those restrictions.
To start with I didn't say at all that purpose of creation was to let Human beings suffer. If that was the case then we would all be in Hell by now. And we will be there oneday if we keep ignoring & cursing Almighty God like this. Look we have a Choice! Its not like we don't have a choice. Its not like we dont have time on our hands. Human beings are by far the most superior creation of God Almighty. We have ruled the world. We have made laws. We have invented technology and what not. We have been given the choice to do tight or wrong. We have no one to blame but ourselves. Animals dont have that. It will be too degrading for humanity to be compared to animals & Rats. We should be thankful for being made superior to all creations even angels. Angels are thankful day and night they pray and submit without questioning. Questioning is the way of Satan not Angels or Human Beings. Satan is our worst enemy.
Testing is not something bad. A child cries when he/she goes to school. but you still put him there anyway. BECAUSE ITS FOR HIS OWN GOOD! Then every year he goes through a TEST! And After going through all those TESTS he is finally given the fruits of what he did in those tests. Test presupposes that the man is not predestined to go to Paradise or Hell, as some groups of the Christians and the majority of the Muslims suppose. If our place in the hereafter is predetermined, then why should we be given orders to do this and not to do that? It will also not be fair by comparing Testing of us with experimenting on animals as we do experiments to gain something or to develop some kind of medicine or shampoo or whatever. Almighty owns everything. Almighty doesnt need to test us just to gain something! The test is for our GOOD! On the day of judgement Hitler and Mother Teresa cannot be equal. Similarily one Who doesnt believe in Almighty and Doesnt submit to him can't be equal to those who believe and ask Him for His Forgiveness. This is the ultimate test. One of a Kind! It surpasses everything. Believing is not enough we have to keep praying and be kind and be generous and loyal to one other till the day we die. This is the Real Test of the most superior creation of Almighty Allah. Since we have free will, perhaps He's testing us to see what choices we will make in response to our daily strife and challenges. And Again Focus on the reward. When you get a Job what motives you the most? Financial Perks and Benefits right? At least the survery's says so :) So you go through hell working late hours just to get those benefits and promotion. Allah wants to get you promoted too. But you have to earn it. Allah has given you everything use it for the best. For those who don't have everything it has already been said that they are not equal to those who have everything. Those who suffer more will be the first one to enter paradise. According to Quran the Day of judgement is equal to 50,000 years. Compare it to 60-70 years you spend in this life. You dont want to be standing there in front of your Lord knowing that you Failed the Test. It would be disastrous For us. I dont want to see anyone Fail in the Test. We all are humas Son's of ADAM PBUH. I care about my family as much I care about yours.
Dear Brothers and Sisters Life is temporary, That's a Fact. So why not focus on the life that is not temporary and free of suffering and pain. Atleast we know why we suffer and we also know about the reward now.
Almighty Allah says in the Quran:
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 3 Surah Ale-Imraan verses 185-186:
185 Every soul shall have a taste of death! And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the fire, and admitted to the Gardens will have attained the object (of life): for the life of this world is but goods, and chattels of deception.
186 Ye (O Believers) shall certainly be tried and tested in your possessions, and in your selves; and ye shall certainly hear much that will grieve you from those who received the Book before you (Jews and Christians), and from the mushriks (those who worship many gods). But if ye persevere patiently and guard against evil, then that will be a determining factor in all affairs.
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 3 Surah Ale-Imraan verses 185-186:
141 Allah's object also is to purge those that are true in faith, and to deprive of blessing those that resist faith.
142 Did ye (O Believers) think that ye would enter heaven without Allah testing those of you who strove hard (in His cause) and remained steadfast?
The Messenger of Allah (saws) said, "If Allah wants to do good to somebody, He afflicts him with trials."
Allah says in Chapter 39 verse 73: "And those who feared their Lord will be led to the Garden in crowds: until behold, they arrive there; its gates will be opened; and its keepers will say: 'Peace be upon you! well have ye done! enter ye here, to dwell therein'."
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39:74: "They will say: 'Praise be to God, Who has truly fulfilled His Promise to us, and has given us (this) land in heritage: We can dwell in the Garden as we will: how excellent a reward for those who work (righteousness)!' "
Verily We have created man into toil and struggle… Have We not made for him a pair of eyes; and a tongue, and a pair of lips; and shown him the two ways (obedience and disobedience)? (Qur'an, Al-Balad 90:4-10)
And if you were to count Allah's favors, you would not be able to number them; most surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [Sūrah al-Nahl: 18]
Praise be to Allah, who possesses all things and who gives without measure.
" Look we have a Choice! Its not like we don't have a choice." "We have no one to blame but ourselves."
Please explain to me what choice did the disabled person have to be born like that?
What choice was there to participate in the Test of life as a disabled person?
Are you actually blaming the disabled person for being born disabled like god wanted?
Couldn't have god skipped the test part and went strait to ask us if we want to be in his grace in the first place like any decent person would?
And if we did not want to, it would be nice of him if he would not threaten us with eternal torture like a dictator.
You have lost so much touch with reality that you are considered insane by my standard.
"Praise be to Allah, who possesses all things and who gives without measure."
Like when he gives tsunamis and kill innocent children in the process, the suffering is truly without measure, you are right.
"Questioning is the way of Satan not Angels or Human Beings."
NO!!!!!!! Questioning is the way of the truth and the good people.
Submission is the way of evil dictators that want their subjects as slaves that obey without questions.
If you do not question your god about his goodness, you do not truly know if he is good, you are forced to accept a conclusion without questioning it.
You are a slave that thanks his master for making him suffer, then beg for mercy and forgiveness for not suffering enough for his master.
You are mentally enslaved and if you actually start thinking for a change you would realize that you have been given the ability to question everything by nature. Which means, if you were created, you were created with the ability to question even your imaginary god for a reason.
Biggest rhetorical question ever. God does not allow any suffering because there is no god. Period. Shit happens. To everyone. Deal with it.
I would like to ask those who don't believe in GOD. Have they have gone the Books revealed by God. If not please do so then pass a judgement. If yes then tell whats holding you back from believing in One GOD Almighty. God Forbid were any of us was about to be drowned what would be the first thing coming out of our mouths. 'Oh God please save me" No matter who you are where you're from. Thats because we all belong to God and one day we will all return to Him.
Almighty says in the Quran:
"And when harm touches you upon the sea, those that you call upon vanish from you except Him (Allah Alone). But when He brings you safe to land, you turn away (from Him)And man is ever ungrateful." Al-Israa, verse 67
If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to you and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, You will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.
"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"
[Al-Quran 41:53]
"I would like to ask those who don't believe in GOD. Have they have gone the Books revealed by God. If not please do so then pass a judgement."
Gone the books? Did you mean 'read the books'? If the latter, yes, I have read the ones you claim are revealed by your god so I guess, according to your terms, I now get to pass judgement. My judgement is that these books are written by men (gender specific) not inspired by any non-human.
"If yes then tell whats holding you back from believing in One GOD Almighty."
A complete lack of evidence.
"God Forbid were any of us was about to be drowned what would be the first thing coming out of our mouths. 'Oh God please save me" No matter who you are where you're from. Thats because we all belong to God and one day we will all return to Him."
If I were drowning it sure as hell wouldn't be your god who threw me a life preserver. It would be a human.
Hello Jeff,
First of all I admit to be a true slave of my Lord Almighty. Slavery to humans have existed for centuries now. And the sole purpose of sending messengers to mankind was that those who relied on others for their well being and their health, wealth , lives.. they must rely on one and only supreme power. If we are His slaves then we don't have to worship false God's and Kings. My Religion believed in releasing slaves and emphasized on rights of slaves as well as releasing them who ever could do so.
The disabled are not going through the test. One who cannot understand or recite the book or memorize the prayer would obviously be pardoned because he could not do so because of physical disability. I think that the disabled are better than us because they dont have to go through the test we have to. But again their disability is not forever. Its temporary. And in hereafter we might end up in Hellfire because we were given everything but we didnt capitalize on anything. And they will end up in Heaven because they had nothing and so they will have everything in afterlife.
The deprived and disabled people sometime thinks, Almighty does not love them. But Almighty loves them so much. Allah (swt) has different plans for them. Almighty Allah wants to give them Paradise.
A black (deprived) and disabled (with epilepsy) woman came to Prophet Muhammad (sws) and our beloved Prophet (sws) gave her glad tidings of Paradise.
Quran says:
4:36 "(Show) kindness unto parents, and unto near kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and unto the neighbour who is of kin (unto you) and the neighbour who is not of kin, and the fellow-traveller and the wayfarer and (the slaves) whom your right hands possess."
"It is not meet for a mortal that Allah should give him the Book and the wisdom and prophethood, then he should say to men: Be my slaves rather than Allah's; but rather (he would say): Be sustenance provider's because of your teaching the Book and your studying (it yourselves)."[3:79]
“But when He tries him, restricting his subsistence for him, then he says (in despair), “My Lord has humiliated me!” (Fajr:16)
“But truly, the punishment of the Hereafter is greater if they but knew” (Al-Qalam:33)
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:
“A Muslim is not afflicted by hardship, sickness, sadness, worry, harm, or depression – even if pricked by a thorn, but Allah expiates his sins because of it” [Bukhari]
“Truly there is a reminder in this for anyone who has a heart, or who listens attentively with presence of mind.” (50:37)
“Those who eschew Evil – and fall not into its worship – and turn to Allah (in repentance) – for them is Good News: announce the Good News to My Servants – Those who listen to the Word, and follow the best (meaning) in it: those are the ones whom Allah has guided, and those are ones endued with understanding.” (39:17-18)
“… But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah knows, while you know not.”
[Al-Qur’an – Surat Al-Baqarah: 216]
{Indeed, Allaah orders justice and good conduct and giving to relatives and forbids immorality and bad conduct and oppression. He admonishes you that perhaps you will be reminded.}[Quran 16:90]
ALLAH says in Quran:
“And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him. And that you be dutiful to your parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of disrespect, nor shout at them but address them in terms of honour.” (Quran 17:23)
ALLAH says in Quran:
“But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not, but behave with them in the world kindly, and follow the path of him who turns to Me in repentance and in obedience. Then to Me will be your return, and I shall tell you what you used to do.” (Quran 31:15)
ALLAH says in Quran:
“But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not, but behave with them in the world kindly, and follow the path of him who turns to Me in repentance and in obedience. Then to Me will be your return, and I shall tell you what you used to do.” (Quran 31:15)
ALLAH says in Quran:
“But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not, but behave with them in the world kindly, and follow the path of him who turns to Me in repentance and in obedience. Then to Me will be your return, and I shall tell you what you used to do.” (Quran 31:15)
ALLAH says in Quran:
“But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not, but behave with them in the world kindly, and follow the path of him who turns to Me in repentance and in obedience. Then to Me will be your return, and I shall tell you what you used to do.” (Quran 31:15)
This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah; Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them; And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.” (Al Baqara, 02:1-5)
“Verily, We, it is we who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’an) and surely, we will guard it (from corruption).” (Al- Hijr, 15:09)
Allah be praised. The Quran is in hearts of millions of Muslims all around the world. This is what Allah revealed 1400 ago. It is a true miracle of Allah. Allah says about QURAN:
Had We sent down this Qur'an on a mountain, you would surely have seen it humbling itself and rending asunder by the fear of Allah. Such are the parables which We put forward to mankind that they may reflect. Al-Hashr Verse No:21
Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs? (Quran, 78:6-7)
“Thenceforth were your hearts hardened: They became like a rock and even worse in hardness. For among rocks there are some from which rivers gush forth; others there are which when split asunder send forth water; and others which sink for fear of God. And God is not unmindful of what ye do.” (al-Baqarah, 2:74).
"Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both [jinn and men] deny?" Surah Rehman
"First of all I admit to be a true slave of my Lord Almighty."
Thanks, most honest of you.
That does show that your god does not love you though, since a loving person would not want you to think of yourself as a slave but a friend or son.
You just proved your god is not great or good in anyway.
"better than us because they don't have to go through the test we have to"
You just claimed that "life is a test"!!!!!!!
Now you are claiming that the ALIVE disabled people are not tested.
Can't you see that you are being unreasonable here?
Even if they are "better than us" that does not exonerate god from making them suffer all their life for no reason, without even having a say in the matter, like a lab rats that has been experimented on and left disabled in the process until he dies.
Your excuses are the most pathetic excuses I have ever heard.
If there was a mind behind the life given to disabled people it must be an evil and sick one, especial since that same mind(god) could have chosen to not do it without any repercussions.
"That does show that your god does not love you though, since a loving person would not want you to think of yourself as a slave but a friend or son.
You just proved your god is not great or good in anyway."
^^ My thoughts exactly. I don't understand why these people do not find it horrifying and disgusting to call themselves a slave to their god.
Dear Jeff,
Everything is for a reason. Its the Same God that gave you everything, but don't think you won't be tested like others. Like I said a disabled child is a test of father's patience and so much more. So a such child is a Test but the Quran justifies by saying :
Chapter 8 Verse 70:
"He will give you [something] better than what was taken from you, and He will forgive you; and Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
Prophet (sws) said
"Indeed amazing are the affairs of a believer! They are all for his benefit. If he is granted ease then he is thankful, and this is good for him. And if he is afflicted with a hardship, he perseveres, and this is good for him"
Allah says:
“You should know that your money and your children are but a test and that a great reward lies with God.” 8:28
“God does not demand from any soul more than He has given it.” 65:7
It could very well be that a man born with missing limbs, or is blind, or is paralyzed may not be held accountable by the Most Merciful except to the bare minimum, which in 4:48 is to believe in God and never to set up any partners beside God. On the other hand, by virtue of the message in 65:7, a person who is given many blessings, like good health, great wealth and a successful life is for sure expected to do more than just believe in God. In his wealth is a great test for how he will use it, or for that matter, abuse it (8:28).
“...and it may be that you dislike a thing that is good for you and that you like a thing that is bad for you. God knows but you do not know.” (Quran 2:216)
Remember that our final destination is not to achieve anything in this world but the hereafter. So whoever is successful in afterlife is successful in this world. And God knows best.
Allah Says:
“Verily! I have rewarded them this Day for their patience; they are indeed the ones that are successful.” (Quran 23:111)
“...to be firm or patient in pain or suffering, and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the God fearing.” (Quran 2:177)
[41:51] When we bless the human being, he turns away, and drifts farther and farther away, and when he suffers any affliction, he implores loudly.
My dear brothers. It is no shame in being Slaves/servants/worshiper of the highest power in heavens and the earth. The creator and provider. The one who gave life to you and the one who will let you enter his paradise after forgiving you. He loves you more than anything that's why he wants you to be among the righteous and not among the wrongdoers. If you listen to him he will listen to you. Submit and don't be of those who rejected to do so. Like Firaun. For Allah is the Seer and Hearing of all. The Greatest, The Mighty, Most Generous, The Owner and Giver of All.
May Allah swt Guide us All. Ameen
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