Why do we have the making love experience & how does it come about
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Why would we have a surviival mechanism if the first cause was not intelligenct? How could "nothing" possibly care if we survived?
Prove there was a "first cause." Then prove it is intelligent. The relationship of cause and effect breaks down at Planck Time. You can not assert a causal relationship without evidence. You don't get to assert your stupidity without evidence. Since you seem incapable of reading a book, how about watching a short video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmBWmpxBWCw
THE BEGINNING OF THE UNIVERSE FOR BEGINNERS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQX4mKvqSoo
Every theory is better than creating a magic creator being. Magic is the very last possibility any intelligent being should consider.
Frankly I am disappointed. I was expecting more.
All I have learned here is Senta enjoys her sex life, which is good for her and really doesn't surprise me. She has been so incredibly lucky to have found, amongst the 5 billion humans on this planet the one guy who is her soul mate. Why wouldn't she enjoy it?
No problems there. What were the odds of them meeting? Damned lucky. Lives locally does he?
But she asks why, why we can have such amazing orgasms, and the exhilarating experience of sharing that with a caring lover. But, as she told me, she did not want to know about the god bit.
I was working all day. My first post was made about morning tea and I did not get a chance to reply until now. I wanted to suggest things like hormone activity during sex, oxcytocin effects, pheromones, the whole body chemistry thing under orgasm etc etc but then I realised it would have made no difference. That was still just the how, not the why.
Then after a protracted tease, she explains her own personal made up deist belief about an ill-defined-ball-of-energy-type-god or mysterious higher intelligence, take your pick, creating us with the means of enjoying sex and sexual relations, for no reason given nor understood. How lucky is that?? And as I suspected, evolution and possibly human biochemistry, don't cut it. Science and knowledge is not lovemaking.
I don't doubt Senta enjoys her 'love making experiences" with her "soulmate", as much as I enjoy my profound and deep relationship with my partner, but I rather think Senta's such a nice person and really enjoys herself and her lucky life so much she really wants to thank someone or thing for it. So? Create a god or higher intelligence and give them all the credit. Easier that reading several books to get a broader understanding of human evolution and biochemistry I suppose. Boring, especially after sex.
It has been suggested that the earliest worshipped god was the sun, a ball of energy. Co-incidence?. But worshipping the sun fell out of favour because its hard to have a personally satisfying spiritual relationship with a ball of energy. Deism is the religion you adopt when you don't like dogma or rituals to bog things down and make life tedious. Like a hit and run lover, a one night creation god who never returns your future calls, nor is expected to. Some sexual encounters are like that and not very satisfying either.
The sad thing Senta is that you were born about 50 years too late. In the sixties everyone used to talk like you do now, you'd have had a ball then too...
I wish you Senta a sincere "Peace and Mungbeans".
You already suspect delusion in the spiritual realm, why not the same thing physically?
Delusion is part and parcel with everything to do with the spiritual realm, whether its Deepak Chopra or Senta. I know that through my own experiences but I take her word for what she believes. I also take her word for how she enjoys her life because I don't care to spend my precious time checking out her online broadcasts.
There are now 7.53 billion people on the planet, just so you are up to date. I have not led a charmed life. Some very big ups and very very big downs. I believe in higher intelligence because it this the only logical explanation. I have an understanding of evolution and chemistry. They are not the first cause of our universe or anything in it. The first cause of life has to be intelligent for about a million different reasons.
We live in a world full of people, many of whom do horrifying things. I think that makes some people doubt God, and that is understandable. If there is a God, we want that God to stop the pain and horror that is all around us. I think it is fairly obvious that God does not intervene in our lives and the challenges here are up to us to handle.
Many years ago, when I was young and beautiful, I tried to enhance my "making love experience" by following Deepak Chopra's instructions on how to reach my chakras that he claimed would do exactly that.
I must have misread his instructions because I ended up with my finger up my ass.
Imagine my disappointment... no chakras there!
and now when I'm just beautiful, I don't try that shit anymore.... *weeping silently*
@ Bad Santa
ROFLMAO
See? Told ya you would fit right in.
rfmr
@Bad Santa Re: "I must have misread his instructions because I ended up with my finger up my ass.
Imagine my disappointment... no chakras there!"
Hey, you think YOU read the instructions wrong? Hmph! You should be happy it was only your FINGER you got up your ass! Took me almost a week before I could walk properly again.... *shudder*...
Edit to add: Great seeing you out here, by the way.... *thumbs up*...
How many times have we told you not to play with your power tools?
@David Re: "How many times have we told you not to play with your power tools?"
I know, I know! But in my defense, I wasn't wearing my glasses while reading the instructions. Believe me, though, I won't ever be making THAT mistake again.... *subconsciously rubbing buttocks*....
Greetings to Senta and Santa.
@Senta
The fundamental issue here is this:
You obviously believe in some imaginary god that created everything, your statement proves it.
And yet, in your profile you indicated that you are an atheist.
Why are you lying to us?
Good catch Bad Santa.
See? Fitting right in.
rmfr
I definitely never said I was an atheist in my profile. The only two options were atheist or non atheist. I have contacted the site. It will not display me as anything but atheist unless I choose one of the Abrahamic religions. I chose other and it will not change to Non-Atheist no matter how many times I try to edit and save it.
@Sante
And from those two options you picked atheist????? That's hilarious!
Do you even know what atheist mean?
LMAO....
I picked Non-Atheist. There is a glitch on this site if you don't pick one of the Abrahamic religions as your belief. It won't edit either so I contacted the site.
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/why-do-we-have-making-...
Senta: "There is a glitch on this site if you don't pick one of the Abrahamic religions as your belief. It won't edit either so I contacted the site."
More proof of your lying. There was the choice of "Other" when you joined. And do not try to lie because I remember there being a choice for "Other" because that is the first thing I look for when offered a list of choices. No matter the question, even for gender, I always choose "Other." Regardless. In fact, this is the only web site I have ever seen that actually gives me ability to choose the correct choice for me.
And an explanation. I hate all forms that ask you make choices and do NOT offer "Other" in the choices. Yes, us humans are either male or female; however, I resent the fact that "they" MUST know which I am. As far as I am concerned, it is NOTFB. No entity has any right to know whether I am male or female, white or black or yellow or red or pink with purple polka dots. That is purely NOTFB. As far as I am concerned, I am a HUMAN. PERIOD. That is all the fuck "they" need to know.
rmfr
I chose other and Non-Atheist and it still has both of those chosen but it displays as Atheist. I have contacted this site by email.
@Bad Santa Senta claims to know atheism "because my parents were atheists," yet somehow doesn't know the difference between luck and natural selection.
Claims: Lives in the USA, female, 49, deist but not a Christian.
Likely Truth: Lives outside USA, probably ESL (just an observation) from the wording of posts, male (choice of wording, repeated emphasis on sex, which doesn't mean male, but makes it more likely; also, choosing a girly avatar), much younger than 49 (from the focus of the discussion to the girly avatar), and Christian.
Question for All: If someone is simply a deist who isn't from an evangelical religion of some kind, why spend so much time on an atheist forum, trying to convince atheists that your god exists? I'd have to weed back through this thread (not about to), but I think he even said that he doesn't believe the Bible and thinks hell is here on earth. So if there's no hell to save atheists from, what would be the motivating factor to hang out here and ask the same stupid questions repeatedly, or do you get many non-Christian deists debating here?
TROLL. Waste of time.
@ Dragonfly
Oh yes...you fitted in right quick Miss! Love your work.
@Old man shouts, Tin-Man
Thanks. If you knew the tug-of-war still going on in my head, you might not think I'm doing so great. Learning new things daily here, though.
@Dragonfly Re: Tug-of-war
Hey, if it makes you feel any better, that is actually normal for awhile. It'll eventually pass. You are doing just fine, little lady.
@Tin-Man
That does make me feel better. Thank you!
@Dragonfly Re: Senta
Mighty fine assessment there, Miss Dragonfly. And I definitely have to agree with the possibility of our little "Miss" Senta being a dude. You are definitely doing quite well out here. Great to see. *Big Grin*
I have already stated that I have a facebook page with pictures of myself and friends and family for very easy verifcation. I even made a limited amount of them public to stop this idiocy. I have only ever lived in United States and I have no idea what ESL even is. I am not male and I am 49 as of October 28 of this year. I have never focused on sex and was referring to the making love experiece with my other half/soulmate because it is a spiritual experience that you only have with that person. I could not care less about meaningless sex and that was not the topic, although I did point out as a side note that it is not possible that we have a sex drive that came to be from nothing with no intelligence, because nothing with no intelligence would not care if our species procreated or not. And I am not a troll. I read the descrption and if anything you are trolling me with your insane nonsense about who you want to pretend that I am.
@Senta Christine
You are either a troll or a lunatic. When we suggest you are a troll, we are giving you the benefit of doubt.
/e ESL means English as a Second Language; basically someone who didn't learn English when they were very young.
Oh really? So 93% of the world are lunatics and you ppl who do not even have the ability to apply simple logic are the only sane ones? LMFAO
Why do you want atheists to believe in your god?
I don't care what you believe. I already stated my only purpose in being on this site (twice so far).
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