Hi, everyone!
I was reading about Climate Change, and I bumped into this 2012 article https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/nov/04/america-theologian..., in which they ask these sorts of questions: What does religion have to do with climate science? Why does this theology of science denial have such power?
I think we could have an entertaining debate about this issue. It would be very kind of you to give your opinions.
For a moment, let's take the question of wether being a man-made disaster or not, out of the picture and let's start by focussing on these simple questions:
Are you a CLIMATE CHANGE SKEPTICAL?
If your answer is
a) YES or MAYBE, but it is not a serious or urgent issue.
- Could you, please, explain your exact reasons to support this?
- Which kind of evidence do you need to question your reasons? Could you respond to statements like:
"a 2009 survey found that over 97% of actively publishing climate scientists are convinced humans are significantly changing global temperatures". (Source: skepticalscience.com/How-many-climate-scientists-are-climate-skeptics.html)
- In what way do you think that your religion and/or political bias could have (or have not) changed your opinion?
b) NO. I THINK IT'S REAL and/but no URGENT.
- Could you defend your arguement againsts skepticals. Why (why not) is a priority to address the problem?
- What could be doing to prevent it?
- In what way do you think that your religion and/or political bias could have (or have not) changed your opinion?
I hope you keep enjoying the weekend!
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Personally I have no opinion on it. I have no reason to deny it, but I also don't care about all the hype and identity politics around it.
However, recently I was listening to a podcast Sam Harris did on it. And while I was listening to it, I couldn't help but notice how similar everything is to what I grew up hearing since I was a kid about the end times. Floods? Pestilence? Famines? Earthquakes? Hurricanes? War? The sun getting hotter is literally one of the last plagues.
I don't know why some Christians don't believe in Climate Change, when these Scientists are starting to sound more like End-Time preachers than anything else. Christians should be the first ones embracing this.
(P.S. I know pleeennty of Christians, and I've never heard any of them deny climate change).
Hi, John! Could you, and Truman, please, please, take a look at the NASA links below?
Maybe you could create a small little tiny informed opinion on this...
I think I'm already informed. I just don't particularly care about it. Same way you might be informed about how avalanches work, but don't lose sleep at night over them.
The idea that humans are increasing temperatures as a result of CO2 emissions has no facts to support it. It was a speculative assertion just like global cooling the 70's, and should have been denied likewise, but somehow it managed to get into the mainstream and now anyone who questions it is called a 'climate denier.'
I just know that if you live in Florida, you now something is up. Its been way too hot these past few years. I remember actually having winter when I was a kid, it would be freezing (by Florida standards) from November till like February. This past year was soo disappoint, it was cold for like one week in January and that's it, back to hot.
Harry, do you think that the content of the article on skepticalscience.com is not true?
Harry Truman -- So much for the idea that atheists are all scientifically minded people. You need to do much more reading on the topic...and balanced reading.
The BOP is on Climate Mongers, not me- I don't need to research their claims, they need to prove them.
When well over 90% of scientists agree on any topic, you ought to be paying attention. There is no burden of proof on anyone in this forum. This is not a scientific symposium (as you have proved).
what are you talking about. there is enough proof of green house gas is indeed responsible for climate change. ozone layer is depleted ice is melting just what kind of proof do you want
The depleted ozone layer was caused by CHCs, not greenhouse gasses, and it has been recovering. And yes, ice is melting every summer then refereeing every winger, just as it has done for millions of years.
@Harry Truman
Maybe you should recheck your maps! The arctic has been losing ice for some time now. For the first time in history we are looking at a Northwest Passage for ships! It's not by accident that the U.S. navy, Canada and presumably Russia, are making contingency plans for a largely ice-free arctic.
Global cooling in the 70s was not ever a scientific "theory". It was media hype. You could even call it 'fake news'.
Harry Truman
What evidence do you have humans haven't cause the climate to change?
It's called the BOP- what evidence do you have that God doesn't exist? It's a stupid question.
What does BOP stand for? I have a lack of evidence that a god exist. The only stupid question is the one you didn't ask.
Burden of proof? I have a lack of evidence for global warming
Then that is YOUR "lacking". Tons of data is out there for all to see. If you don't see it, you don't want to see it.
Notice how similar your statement is to something a theist might say. You people are indeed a doomsday cult.
Pure nonsense. The science is on the side of climate change.
Rhetoric- the actual numbers are on my side.
@Harry Truman
Do you have a scientific background that would allow you to follow the evidence in some detail? If you don't have an appropriate scientific background then your lack of evidence might be due to your inability to gather and understand the relevant work. That the vast majority of the scientific community has no problem with evidence is a much heavier weight than your "lack of evidence."
@Harry Truman
Horse manure! There are plenty of facts to support it. Why do you think there is a scientific consensus on the subject? Don't ask me to spend gobs of time on the scientific support; it's all out there on the Internet. Study! Study! Study!
When my truck transmission breaks down I take it to my local transmission repair shop not to the person that cooks French fries at McD's. When I have questions about climate change I refer to geologists and climatologists. Not politicians, preachers, or internet forum lurkers.
No one has provided any real evidence that it's real chimp man, if you want to take their word for it you are free to believe what you want, but don't try to pass it into law.
I have read convincing evidence from real scientists. My question to you, Mr Truman, is why I should accept your statement that no one has "produced any real evidence"? Why should I accept your your statement as any more valid than a fry cooks at McD's?
Because no one has provided any evidence.
HarryTruman: Why should I accept your analysis of the evidence or lack of? Qualifications?
Well spoken, Chimp3!
I remember learning about acid rain in school and having a fear of what it could do. I remember when NYC was smog filled. Then we began to get our shit together and try to fix these things. No one talks about acid rain or has a worry for it (except maybe China), and the NYC skyline is crystal clear along with Cali (when there aren't fires). That alone should convince people that we were heading in the right direction and our footprint matters. Even if it's a hoax, what's wrong with trying to make a better planet for our kids and their kids?
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