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Haters do hate. Their small minds can not handle facts that prove them wrong.
To be intelligent, you have to understand when your wrong.
Its OK to be wrong.
It's not OK to be wrong and think your right.
Because then you just use foul language to pretend your better, smarter while proving the opposite is true.
Open a book. Open your mind!
What are you referring to? What am I wrong about? I'm not trying to be an a$$hole genuinely not sure. Thanks.
What are you referring to? What am I wrong about? I'm not trying to be an a$$hole genuinely not sure. Thanks.
my what dirty and perverse language you use!!!!, you shouldn`t be allowed on this site mycob4, Why don`y you deal what is being presented here, It`s a fact J esus lived so get over it.if you look at the time that we go according to it is 2017 this is ad. Not bc.so there is one fact that jesus lived also there are 2.5 billion Christians in the world today and no matter what you atheist try to do you are a vanishing breed. Please if your going to contribute to this site then use the right kind of language.
Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking cannot account for Space Time Matter or Existence.
Einstein did not believe in reason or logic.
Einstein proposes psychical abstract theories(thoughts) that are not testable nor provable using physical tangible physics based on Newtons Natural Law Philosophy
TIME is; Physical measure of SPACE occupied by material MATTER existing in TIME, the continuum. You are a fixed point in TIME, the continuum
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TIME is; Physical measure of SPACE occupied by material MATTER existing in TIME, the continuum.
You are a fixed point in TIME, the continuum
Space Time Matter Existence, are they beyond your knowledge?
Account for them if your educated!
Michael Alan Chapman
TIME MAN
Were are you a scientist at? What country? Is Michael Alan Chapman your real name?
Good sir what do you find disagreeable with this documentary? Yes I made and posted an alternative history documentary here earlier this is true, I took history and made it more entertaining, made it better (for video entertainment) this one is different its not alt history its literary analysis. Check it out it will make this discussion more meaningful. Cheers
Back to the mythological footprint of the jesus character and your question...
What motivated the character?
Good question.
If we take a glance back to the nazarene cult, which the Yeshua ha Notzri character created some 150 years before the biblical period, we'll find the answer.
This Yeshua ha Notzri (jesus of the nazarene) promoted the benevolent god that presides today in the monotheistic sense. So, it was that jesus who took it upon himself to promote his god until he was arrested by the jews for heresy (Yaweh being the jewish god-of-gods at the time), tried and then stoned to death. Then they hung his carcass from a tree outside town for all travelers to see what they did to heretics. Simple enough and from the jewish archeological record.
Fast forward 150 years and along comes a guy named Saul. He meets people of the (surviving) nazarene cult and gets familiar with the Yeshua ha Notzri cat and the benevolent god he promoted. Saul was not enamored of Yaweh because, being that he was a homosexual and Yaweh saw them as "detestable", he knew he was damned to hell's eternal hot places. he learned that the nazarene god was benevolent and accepted everyone for who they were. Bingo, the bells and whistles of salvation went off in Sauls head and, changing his name to Paul, took first chair in promoting the Yeshua character along with his benevolent god. I mean, how cool was that to know your homosexual death sentence had been commuted in a single switcherooski to a new god? The rest is history. Paul began writing, along with other nazarene cult members, great things about the Yeshua-created benevolent god and from those writings the first of the gospel writers were born.
So, the Yeshua ha Notzri origin of the jesus character was revived by Paul, in name only (in spirit, Docetically speaking) and through the subsequent journalism beginning in the nazarene camp we see the motivation of jesus is to promote the acceptance and worship of his benevolent god.
It wasn't until 325 AD, based on the date set by bible discussion of the death of the jesus character, that Emperor Constantine called together the bishops and members of the christian faith, living in diaspora, that was beginning to take shape, to his summer home on the Mediterranean coast in a little town called Nicaea in what is now Turkey. This was to decide whether the jesus character revived by Paul a couple hundred years earlier was real or simply a spirit. The Arian Controversy was the topic and the First Council of Nicaea was to settle it. It was at this gathering that the Emperor himself decided that the jesus character was "of the same substance as the father", yet he was also a man of flesh and blood. So, the story of the spiritual and secular jesus character was decided by a politician. The purpose of the jesus character was to promote the father (benevolent god) as a man, sent by the father, and the details were then sloppily laid down by men of little imagination for content, context, believability, leaving the bible's conflicting stories an insufferable collection of nonsense ever since.
Thank you for the thoughtful response.
What in the Jewish archaeological record says that Jesus was killed by the Jews by stoning?
Also very curious what accounts are there of Saul/Paul being a homosexual? Think this story is juicy enough for another documentary.
Thanks.
Pitar,
This is the first time I've read that analysis of the fairy tale.
Where did you get the source for your comment === "If we take a glance back to the nazarene cult, which the Yeshua ha Notzri character created some 150 years before the biblical period, we'll find the answer."?
I've always been of the opinion that Paul pulled the Yeshua character out of thin air as an attempt to destroy what was known as "The Way" cult. And that later on the story tellers incorporated the deeds of the main rebel leaders into the Yeshua story, merging political acts with religious doctrine.
hia, I believe the reasoning behind jesus going to the cross is like he said that the people were without a shepard, like lost sheep. I guess he had a love for people, as said in the gospels. and he really believed that man had a sin problem do to the original sin of adam and eve. He felt that he had to fix the problem.He is the only one to die on a cross and offer salvation to humanity. The immense suffering he undertook was amazing, the pain of being crucified where people were on the cross for untold amount of hours in that heat and people cursing them emotionally it was a great outpouring of love that Jesus undertook. When you think that he really didn`t have to to Jerusalem that final week during the Passover, Also to be left all alone and deserted by peter and the rest of the disciples, tore at Jesus heart.Yes the SAVIOUR had a great love for humanity, And to think that some people take his name in vain. When I see the cost of sin I shudder to think that I`m still doing it. makes me want to cry.
But when i read the account of Christ and I read it as a myth that was meant to be examined as testimony I imagine that instead of reading a book Luke, John, or Matthew are at the bar just telling me a story about some guy they knew. This is what a testimony is after all a story someone tells you. If a book is written in the format of a testimony thus you must not necessarily believe the narrator at all times. Sometimes you can assume that he is lying or exaggerating things just like a stranger telling you a story at a bar would. (Sorry for the long intro but it will help the rest of this make sense... hopefully)
So following this logical and using its lens to examine the bible I make 3 assumptions as I read the account.
1 - Jesus is not divine and has no special powers. (ex. Ive never seen a dude walk on water why would I believe a testimony)
2 - No one else has special powers everyone is a human limited by the knowledge and culture of the Iron age Middle East.
3 - Jesus is corruptible just like every other person.
Now with all this in play as I go through the bible I hear a story about a Iron age Rabbi that ran an organization with lots of hall marks of a cult like abandoning families to follow a holy teacher, giving up wealth, and dedicating one entire life soul, body, and mind to the holy teacher. Further this holy teacher showed them a bunch of cheap parlor tricks. The holy teacher was so narcissistic and egocentric that anytime anything other then him comes up he tells you how unimportant it is compared to him and tells you to give up everything just to worship him and serve him. Further he is reckless and his delusions of grandeur like thinking he is himself a god as well as his corrupt nature like soaking himself in a years wages worth of perfume in one sitting in front of a bunch of people who gave everything up to obey and follow him.the picture is clear. I do not see a wise loving guy. I see Charles Manson or Marshall Applewhite ... come to think of it didnt they think they were Jesus haha they sure as hell wanted to be him.
Can`t really say, Where Jesus was reportedly raised in the upper north of Israel, There was occupying roman troops so he derived from that possibly of occupation by a foreign source. economically he didn`t come from the well educated or the rich. So there could have been a source of resentment here. A lot of his countrymen did believe in a final judgement was coming on the nation and people.YThat`s why when you look at John the Baptist in the Jordan in the river there baptizing there he called for putting on the new self from the old in submerging oneself in the water.A kind of a new exodus if you will.to come out to newness of life.The question remains though was he God in the flesh, And to your question what was his motivation factor for him calling men to be his followers and some say his ministry lasted only a year while others say three, He never the less thought that he was called by God and could forgive sin. As for his reportedly healings, Who is to say here. I have one question I would like to pose to the audience and that is this: Why did he go into Jerusalem on the final week of his life? Knowing full well the consequences for his actions.That`s why the best view that I can see here is the agnostic view, We really after all the research done on Jesus don`t know who and what he was.
The bible was written after the fact if he existed and if he came to Jerusalem at all he came unaware of his fate and met it there. After the fact men who lives hundreds of years later weaved stories of his omniscience. These reasons are not convincing for adopting an agnostic view although I can think of other ones that would make a better case for agnosticism. If however you want to discuss the Jesus who is the character of biblical literature then it is a good question but then its answer holds no sway in real world philosophy does it not?
What motivated the character jesus in the holy babble? I have no idea. I have never thought much about the motives of mythical characters.
What do you think motivated the character of Fred Flintstone in the cartoon "The Flintstones"?
Believe it or not you can learn a lot by figure out motives even those of a mythical character. As for your question the flintstones were motivates by the "American Dream" concept and if you watch the show if tries to recreate an "Ideal American Family" by the standards of Hollywood and white picket fence idealism but with a twist, its all in the stone age. See how understanding the motivations of the flinstones we got to a deeper understanding of the show? Pretty sweet.
Thanks. What motivates Oscar the Grouch on Sesame Street?
Being a buzz kill
And Casper the friendly ghost?
Maybe friendship I never really watched that one so don't want to talk out of my ass you know.
So are we done worrying about the motivations of fictional characters in books and movies such as jesus?
No man that it fun to speculate is awesome also if you want to discuss something else how about this http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/alternative-world-hist...
You wrote: "It's fun to speculate." No, it is silly to speculate about the motivations of fictional characters and since we have no idea who wrote the gospels it is difficult to understand the motivations of the authors of the NT
I speculate that trump is secretly an evil orange from Horsehead Nebula.
trustyoursources
You mean you haven't been talking out of your ass the whole time about your film?
No I certainly have not watch the documentary my work is sited sir.
Well I really don`t know, but if you investigate Christianity some say that it was love, They site the passage in the new testament about the people being lost and with out a shepherd as they were lost sheep. I would ask one thing here is that Jesus turned toward Jerusalem the week before the Passover. Why did he go into the city, I guess he felt that he was on a mission.Anyway it cost him his life, If he was the son of god as Christians profess is another matter. I will say that he has the most adherents then any other known religion.
If you look at some of the statements the Yesuha character said, especially about physically cutting off body parts to prevent sinning, you must come to the conclusion that he was nuttier than the average lunatic.
The Yeshua character expressed signs of being a repressed religious man who was sexually aroused by the idea of amputating his healthy body parts to avoid sinning. He suffered from body identity integrity disorder (BIID), or xenomelia.
People seemed to have been OK with some of his other ideas but they drew the line at chopping off their own hands and feet and gouging out their own eyes. It's a good thing that idea never caught on.
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