What is it about God's Definition which "Forces" Theists to Believe?

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chimp3's picture
What is it about God's Definition which "Forces" Theists to Believe?

Is it the fear factor, the childhood indoctrination, the smug feeling of superiority vicariously gained?

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algebe's picture
For me at the age of 8-10, it

For me at the age of 8-10, it was my gorgeous Sunday school teacher. When she talked about the Holy Trinity and loaves and fishes, I was ready to believe anything. Then that spawn of Satan got married and set me on the path to atheism.

chimp3's picture
Ah! Unrequited love!

Ah! Unrequited love!

Tin-Man's picture
As a kid, for me it was the

As a kid, for me it was the cookies in Sunday school class. Oh, and the kool-aide. (Wait... The kool-aide?... Heeeeeey......)

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ's picture
I reject your question and

I reject your question and substitute my own.

chimp3's picture
Which is what?

Which is what?

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ's picture
Something random and

Something random and irrelevant about evidence.

chimp3's picture
Go right ahead!

Go right ahead!

Tin-Man's picture
What color is purple? (There

What color is purple? (There! Beat you to it, John! Nanny-nanny-nah-nah!)

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ's picture
That actually is a good

That actually is a good question.

Chimp do you have physical and objective evidence that an electromagnetic wavelength of 380–420 nm is in fact the color purple?

Tin-Man's picture
@John Re: Purple

@John Re: Purple

Dammit, you crack me up sometimes! LOL

algebe's picture
@John 61X Breezy: do you have

@John 61X Breezy: do you have physical and objective evidence that an electromagnetic wavelength of 380–420 nm is in fact the color purple/violet?

I feel that it is. I had a personal revelation that told me to call that wavelength purple. The color spoke to me and told me its name, and that henceforth that name was to be purple. Thus is it written in my holy book of colors by the prophet Pantone.

Nyarlathotep's picture
No no no. That wavelength is

No no no. That wavelength is the Colour out of Space. As the holy book tells us:

Lovecraft - It was just a colour—but not any colour of our earth or heavens.

chimp3's picture
John: Why in hell would I

John: Why in hell would I have the wavelength of the color purple. You are the purple one around here.

Tin-Man's picture
@Algebe Re: Color proof

@Algebe Re: Color proof

You may have your book of colors, but my proof is even stronger. I have a box of crayons. And in that box there was a crayon that actually had the holy word "Purple" printed on it, along with those exact wavelengths John mentioned. Can't get much stronger proof than that. I would show it to everybody, but I ate it after using it a few times to do the CAPTCHA calculations to make my posts on here.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@TM et al

@TM et al
Well first of all you have to define crayon as in the act of crayoning or as the passive object of crayon. Or is it the commonly used misnomer for a pastel?
Well I think you also have to prove your calculations as we all know (well the psyches amongst us) that 'captcha' calculations are merely the manifestations of a lower intellect and should include calculus for trusted poseurs..
If you could comprehend my lofty argument you would answer my question., Why isnt there any lead in your pencil?

Tin-Man's picture
@Old Man Re: "Why isnt

@Old Man Re: "Why isnt there any lead in your pencil?"

Well... Truth be told... I also ate the pencils. *hanging head in shame*

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
Do try and keep up TM.

Do try and keep up TM. Pencils are completely different thing, as astute readers will note my belief in pencils is only of the HB variety and without the heretical eraser on the top.
The fact that you claim to have eaten the pencils requires some clarification as that act requires a swallowing motion. Now there several syndromes that prevent that action so I really want to know why were they yellow?

Tin-Man's picture
@Old Man Re: "... so I

@Old Man Re: "... so I really want to know why were they yellow?"

https://youtu.be/CMNry4PE93Y

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
Bwwahahahahahah...dang took

Bwwahahahahahah...dang took me a few seconds to get that you naughty man...LMFAO....

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ's picture
Some have argued that colors

Some have argued that colors exist because of language. Depending on what language you speak you'll see different colors, or see colors differently.

Tin-Man's picture
@John Re: "Depending on what

@John Re: "Depending on what language you speak you'll see different colors, or see colors differently."

Dang... People who speak multiple languages are screwed.

algebe's picture
@John 61X Breezy: Some have

@John 61X Breezy: Some have argued that colors exist because of language.

That's the Whorfian hypothesis. In my experience, the words used for colors might differ, but the perception of color is the same. The Japanese call the blue of the sky "ao", which is also word for the green of an unripe banana, a green traffic light, and a green (i.e. inexperienced) youth. Green foliage is "midori". This led some American researchers to conclude that the Japanese are all color blind for green and blue. But when I questioned Japanese about this, I found that they well aware of the difference between the sky color and the traffic light color. It's just usage and custom. "Ao" is the blue of the sky, but also the green of things that are about to change and edible green things. "Midori" is for masses of green foliage. "Midori" is considered the color of peace and is a common name for women.

And by the way, they don't like to be called "yellow".

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ's picture
It is and at the same time it

It is and at the same time it isn't. The Whorfian hypothesis treats thoughts as if encapsulated within language, meaning that you can't think beyond language. We know that to be false, because we create new words all the time to express our thoughts.

In contrast, language is a tool that can focus our attention. Visible light is a continuos spectrum with no clear distinctions. As you mentioned, different cultures and languages split that spectrum differently. I think Russia has two words for blue (dark and light). To them, those two colors are as separate as blue is to purple for us.

If we run experiments where they have to identify which two blue cards of different shades are identical to a third, they can generally identify them faster than English speakers. We can "see" the difference, but can't really perceive it as well as them.

Tin-Man's picture
Re: Color distinctions

Re: Color distinctions

Well now.... It would seem I have inadvertently instigated a discussion that is more complex than I ever realized. COOL! Interesting stuff.

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