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Dear atheists, you are in essence into mutual exhortation to persevere in your pure belief of no God, and in addition also very important for your mutual enforcement of your belief: in downgrading Christians and God.
That is all you do: but you have no argument, but much less any best argument against God existing.
It is all nothing but pure total 100% un-adulterated belief, no different from IS guys who are declared by all nations to be terrorists.
You are only different from IS terrorists, in that they are crazy over God and resort to violence to advance their fanaticism over God, you are in the opposite extreme except for lack of massive cruelty and violence - not yet though to date with you today's atheists.
Your forebears were terrorists when your forebears went into terrorism to have succeeded to conquer half of mankind to submit peoples and nations to their dictatorial regime of literally slave-driving governments.
When these your atheist-communist forebears died, that was the end of atheist-communist-dictatorial control by force over half of mankind - the end in the late 1980's, with the resignation of Gorbachev on Dec. 25, 1991.
Do some research into what is an argument, and stop mutual exhortation to persevere in your belief of no God, and stop also your phoney argument (evasion in fact) of bashing God and peoples who know God exists in empirical reality.
Troll, I'm calling this one. None too bright either, even by troll standards. Though I can't rule out him being a theist as well of course.
@Dejess: Your forebears were terrorists
They sure were! I'm still upset about what my Celtic, Roman, Anglo-Saxon, and Viking/Norman ancestors did to each other any anyone else who got in their way. And my Jewish ancestors were probably the worst of the lot.
You're clutching at straws with that hollow old argument about communist/atheist dictatorships in Russia, China, etc. Stalin, Mao, Kim, etc., didn't eliminate religion. They superseded it with their own leader cults. I've attached a picture of a religious service in North Korea.
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(Sorry, Cyber. Gloves are coming off on this idiot.)
@Dejess Re: "You are only different from IS terrorists, in that they are crazy over God and resort to violence to advance their fanaticism over God, you are in the opposite extreme except for lack of massive cruelty and violence - not yet though to date with you today's atheists."
What the holy FUCK, you ass-wipe??? You come on this site and make multiple unsubstantiated claims, ignore multiple reasonable questions and requests for information, and repeatedly insult many folks who are trying to have a genuine discussion with you. THEN, you have the unmitigated gall to compare me and other atheists on this site to fucking ISIS??? And you call yourself some type of Christian? Well, dingle-berry, you just crossed my line. I deployed overseas three times (Iraq and Afghanistan) helping in the fight against ISIS and similar groups. And I have lost many friends who were there doing the same thing. At this point, having followed all your other posts on here and other threads, I am very much inclined to make the call you are not a Christian in any way, shape, or form. However, if by some chance you actually are a true Christian believer, then I want to offer you a sincere "Thank you" for helping me once again confirm how incredibly happy I am to have escaped the incredibly vile and insidious grasp of the religion you still claim to follow. And on that note, I should add that I recall being taught for many years of my life it is the ultimate Christian purpose in life to draw as many followers to the Lord and Jesus Christ as possible. Matter of fact, I do believe it is one of the most blessed things a true and worthy Christian could ever do. Conversely, those who claim to be Christian but set a bad example that turns others away are to be admonished and sometimes condemned, if I remember correctly. Well, congratulations, Mr. Dejees! Because if YOU are the highest example of how true Christians are suppose to conduct themselves, then you have 100% convinced me that I want to stay as far away from that type of brain-washed, narrow-minded, despicable, bile-minded nonsense as I can possibly get. My only hope is that there are many true and sincere religious believers who read your posts who will see your blatantly deceptive and deplorable behavior and perhaps start to question their own belief systems. Your god should be so truly proud of you right now. Live long and prosper, motherfucker.
You just wore out any welcome with me, by your dishonesty, insults, blatant evasion, and flaccid attempts to write the rules so you have any chance of succeeding in your quest. There's the door, don't let it hit your ass on the way out.
Dejess, I had you figured out from day one, it just took this long for you to reveal what a low-life you are. I truly feel sorry for you and anyone you share your life with.
Dejess,
I pointed to a good argument against the gods of the Bible and the Koran. I also directed you to an earlier thread that argues that any supernatural being is the product of poor reasoning at the present time.
Don't you read my posts? How dare you claim that we have given you no arguments!
I still don't see any sales pitch for your god, and any sales pitch must include evidence since that is what we go by. No beef, no belief! It's a no sale! So, hit the road, toad!
@Dejess
WHAT THE FUCK?
Atheists are terrorist? holy SHIT what a fucking TROLL!
Atheism is NOT a belief. You are dishonest and a troll. You want to change definitions to suit your narrative. You have never proven your god.
You don't even understand basic civics. Communism has nothing to do with atheism. In fact, there is no true and has never been a communist state.
Here's a little lesson.
Communism does not equal atheism.
Capitalism doesn't equal christianity.
Democracy= Secularism!
The one who needs to do research is Dejess because
1) He doesn't know the definition of "belief"
2) He doesn't know the definition of "atheism"
3) He doesn't know the definitions of "fact" or "evidence"
4) He doesn't know what communism is.
He lacks a basic education.
He only knows how to proselytize and troll.
Okay, dear atheists, no more please of posts with nothing but evasions from the OP.
Work on your research on what is an argument, and draft one that will convince intelligent mankind that God does not exist.
Thanks to the founders and owners and operators and rest of workers in AR, you are really honest about not giving non-atheists like yours truly a hard time.
Continue in that direction, then mankind will be convinced that you also merit positive consideration from mankind: to elect you to congress, to marry their children, etc.
@Dejess: nothing but evasions from the OP.
Hypocrite! You've done nothing but evade every response to your incoherent posts.
We have patiently explained to you a number of arguments "that will convince intelligent mankind". Obviously you're not in that category.
Goodbye.
Dejess, you wrote, “Continue in that direction, then mankind will be convinced that you also merit positive consideration from mankind: to elect you to congress, to marry their children, etc.”
“you also merit positive consideration from mankind:”
“from mankind”
Is that to say a person who is identified as atheist is not part of “mankind”?
I responded directly to your original post. I stayed on topic, I posted multiple reasons. I even stated I was doing so and directed it at you.
You did not respond, yet you state everyone here posted only evasions. Either you did not attempt to read everyones post, or you are evading mine. Which is it?
You hollow out your own points and arguments by not even responding to the counter arguments.
You may as well be talking into a mirror to convince yourself that your god idea exists if you just ignore any actual counter argument from everyone else.
No one has demonstrated sufficient evidence for a deity.
This won't change no matter how much you troll this sight.
@Dejess you have not offered any argument that proves that god exists, nevermind a valid one. So why would we have a belief in a god?
The best argument against god not existing is that you are not even capable of providing an argument that god exists.
Dejess,
It is not our job to disprove your fairy tale! Nevertheless, many strong and compelling arguments have been made against some of the popular forms of god-belief. But experience has shown that no amount of evidence nor the finest arguments will convince the typical religious fanatic. Thus, your suggestion that we draft one, good argument to win over the believers is totally wrongheaded! Those arguments already exist!
This is my proposal, that you atheists make up your best argument against God not existing, in 100 words or less.
The canon of viable communication consists in clear, plain, simple, concise, and precise writing.
When you cannot or will not write to communicate clearly, plainly, simply, concisely, and precisely, in 100 words or less: then it is the fact that you don't have any argument against God existing, much less any best argument.
I replied cogently to your ridiculous OP as I do give everyone a 'fair go'. However you have not responded. Either you are incapable of a response or fucking rude, or just here to insult and try to stir people up. Good luck with that, for my money you are an intellectual vacuum.
@Dejess Re: "This is my proposal, that you atheists make up your best argument against God not existing, in 100 words or less."
And I propose you take your proposal and shove it up your condescending, ignorant, arrogant, over-inflated-sense-of-self-righteous ass. I don't know where you THINK you are, but this is not a grade-school class of tiny little impressionable minds who are poised to jump at whatever commands you may give. And it is incredibly ironic that YOU have the nerve to try to tell US how we should respond to you, when you have absolutely refused to respond to any direct questions posed to you thus far. There have been PLENTY of people on here who have gone well out of their way in trying to reasonably explain their views to you in an incredibly clear, plain, simple, concise, and precise manner. But YOU, shit-for-brains, have steadfastly refused to engage any of those people in a mutual discussion. I also find it highly amusing that YOU are telling US to write in a "clear, plain, simple, concise, and precise" manner, when many of your own posts read like something out of a Dr. Seuss book written by somebody on crack. My advice to you is to step away from the Kool-Aid, dude.
Thanks Tin-Man. Your last two posts state exactly what I wanted to state. However, you did it more nicely than I. I'd've used a lot more filthy and foul communication.
@dejees:
In your OP you state "I know God exists." Then you demand for us to disprove your statement by us giving you our answer to disprove God's existence.
Remember this. You are the one who is making the preposterous claim. The burden is on YOU to back up your claim. Since us atheists do not believe in ANY gods, the burden is NOT on us.
Reiteration: No evidence = no existence. All the proof I need to offer.
Now the burden is YOURS. Prove your statement of "I know God exists."
Otherwise, suck my dookie chute dry. Furthermore, I have come to the conclusion that you are as useful as a used tampon.
rmfr
"You atheists make up your best argument against God not existing, in 100 words or less."
Atheists don't believe a deity exists, why would they create arguments against a deity *NOT* existing?
My argument against your belief that a deity exists is the same as the other half dozen posts in this thread you've ignored.
No one has demonstrated sufficient evidence for your belief that a deity exists. (52-nailed it)
Djess,
Your logic is in need of some serious repair. Even if it were true (which it is not) that none of us supplied the arguments you ask for, it does not follow that solid arguments don't exist. The Internet is full of them! In fact, I supplied a couple myself, one in a nutshell and one in detail (on another thread).
You don't seem to understand the basic logic here. We haven't worked up arguments against the legendary Pecos Bill or Paul Bunyan, the legendary lumberjack, or even the Easter Bunny. Is credibility thereby attached to any of those characters? Give it some serious thought. It is you who have to make the sale. That is, the burden of proof is on your shoulders.
Dejess,
"This is my proposal, that you atheists make up your best argument against God not existing, in 100 words or less."
Unlike other people, I simply don't give a damn if your favorite deity or any others exist. It's irrelevant. Not one God of any kind has ever done anything godly in scope since the first con man created it in his image.
So which is your favorite deity? http://www.graveyardofthegods.org/deadgods/listofgods.html They all have names. Use one of their names instead of the title.
Going back to the OP, I would assert that there is absolutely nothing within reality that cannot be explained or understood by a naturalist world view.
You do not need the extra baggage of an unprovable and unfalsifiable deity.
The fact there is absolutely no solid evidence to support the notion of a god renders the entire debate moot.
That's easy. "There is no God." That which can be asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence. No one needs an argument against God when there is no evidence for a God.
Let you start a thread on what is theists' best argument for God existing.
Now, again you dare not produce any argument to the non-existence of God in 100 words or less.
No one here shall create such a thread.
You still have not proven your preposterous claim.
You have been asked like a hundred times (purposeful exaggeration).
Until you can prove your OP claim, we ain't got to answer your question.
Remember. The burden of proof is on the claimant. You made a claim first. The burden is yours to prove it.
Prove it. Or shut the fuck up.
rmfr
Dejess,
Still not acknowledging the two arguments I gave?
Get lost troll!
I am a Muslim and I just joined this site. I am a firm believer in Allah Almighty and I have chose to read this thread first, on the forum. Wow has it been annoying. It is so obvious that this person Dejess is a troll. Why do you still respond to him? He is looking for attention and he wants to frustrate you. A true believer in the Almighty does not behave this way. I see right through you Dejess. You are the one who "believes", so it is your duty and my duty to try and convince the atheists, if you will, that not only does the Almighty exist, but that He is their salvation. You actually make Christians look bad. The people on here(except Dejess) come across as pretty respectful and patient ,despite that I don't agree with their atheistic views. So at least a good discussion can get going but I see Dejess just tries to rev everyone up. Don't fall for it. This was painful to read.
I respond because I want him to prove his opening claim. In the first sentence he says, "I know God exists."
I want him to back that claim first with hard empirical evidence.
Then I'll answer his second proposal.
rmfr
Welcome UmmHurayra. I hope you have a positive experience in this forum.
Yes, you walked into the middle of one of the nastiest trolls ever. In just a few posts this person has riled people up and generated attention.
I always seek a healthy dialogue, but this time it is like yelling down a sewer pipe.
Welcome, dear brother Muslim.
Do you know something about this time observed principle to the following effect?
"Better is the case of the party in possession."
The existence of God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc., and today since Gen. 1:1 - "In the beginning God created heaven and earth," it is the existence of one God that is the prevailing truth of intelligent, learned, and morally righteous humans.
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