here it is:
Genesis 19:8
“See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.”
Exodus 21:20-21
“And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property.
Leviticus 25:44-45
And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have– from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves. Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property.
1 Peter 2:18
Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh.
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
But if the thing is true, and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel, to play the harlot in her father’s house. So you shall put away the evil from among you.
Deuteronomy 23:1
“He who is emasculated by crushing or mutilation shall not enter the assembly of the LORD.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
If two men fight together, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of the one attacking him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity her.
Leviticus 21:18-19
For any man who has a defect shall not approach: a man blind or lame, who has a marred face or any limb too long, a man who has a broken foot or broken hand, or is a hunchback or a dwarf, or a man who has a defect in his eye, or eczema or scab, or is a eunuch.
and many more.
please explain~
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I don't understand what you want us to do with your OP?
It's difficult to describe in a general sense so I will use the second scripture (one of my faves) to explain it specifically to the best of my ability.
Exodus 21:20-21
“And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property."
If a jealous god created you and your fellow man, why would He leave it up to his creation to punish you? Wouldn't that be a pleasure reserved solely for him? Why would he allow his creation to kill his creation with punishment to come later? Wouldn't he just stop the action?
Most of these scriptures have the same general tone of a useless god that requires His creation to enact punishment on His behalf, so the onus is on the believer to explain how this makes sense.
-At least, that's my interpretation.
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
"But if the thing is true, and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel, to play the harlot in her father’s house. So you shall put away the evil from among you."
Well, for starters, why does every man in the city have to participate? Was it mandatory that ALL the men participate? What happened to the guys who actually had some common sense and did not want to throw rocks to kill a defenseless woman? And it stands to reason that at least one (or more) of the men in the city may have been the reason for her no longer being a virgin. Doesn't seem fair that they would get to throw rocks at her. And if I were there and it was mandatory to throw rocks, I would find the tiniest pebbles I could and act like I was a lousy shot.
But then you have.....
John 8:7 New International Version (NIV)
7 When they kept on questioning him (Jesus), he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” (Yes, I know it was a different situation at a later time, but you get the idea.)
There's your loophole. (Of course, never mind the fact it came along a few hundred years AFTER the instructions in Deuteronomy. No worries, though. Just a minor detail. And remember, God loves you. *smooch*)
Isn't genesis 19:8 about the importance of preventing a mob from sodomizing two elfs or something like that? Here is that beautiful story::
"Once upon a time, there were two angels traveling the world for some strange reason. For some reason, a group of men decided that they really wanted to have gay sex with these angels. For some reason, these angels who have superpowers were afraid of the villagers wanting to rape them. For some reason, the angels ran to an innkeeper to ask for his protection. For some reason, the innkeeper didn't tell the would - be rapists to fuck off. For some reason, the innkeeper didn't grab a weapon and beat the closest would-be rapists to death. Instead, for some completely inexplicable reason the innkeeper who had two daughter both of whom were virgins, decided that it was an awesome idea to give his two daughters, who were of course his property, to the rapists to rape.
The innkeeper lived happily ever after. The rapists lived happily ever after. The angels weren't actually alive, but they lived happily ever after. As to the two daughters, who cares what happened to them. They were the innkeeper's property.
Can I get an Amen??
to MCD
AMEN!!!!!..
for some reason
hahah..
You've stated a lot Quasi so I'll address the first two (since the second one tackles something which the other verses actually reference)
Genesis 19:8
“See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.”
- This is something Lot said and did. Does the Bible say that this is a good act? No, it doesn't. In fact, it can be inferred from a reading of Genesis that this was actually a bad thing that Lot did. Later in Genesis, Lot's daughters (the ones he offered to be raped by others) get him drunk and (in effect) rape him. Not everything recorded in the Bible is a good act. We even have David who basically killed Bathsheba's husband so he could marry her. There are a lot lot lot of these in the Bible. The lesson of most of them is basically, if you do evil things, they will come back to haunt you.
Exodus 21:20-21
“And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property."
- I've answered this in a previous thread but basically it's taken out of context. This part of Exodus isn't even a "How to use your slave" section. If you read the verses before this (starting with verse 12), it's actually about what happens if someone kills another person or personal injury. It starts off with with a general rule. If you murder someone, you will be put to death. Then it proceeds to add stipulations, like in verse 18. It says if two men quarrel and they one injures another but doesn't kill them, they should pay for their complete healing. Verse 18 and 19 actually mirror 20 and 21. 20 and 21 actually include slaves as having these rights as well, rights which were "enjoyed" by free men.
I'm only going to answer the second point as Seldon, Mykob, Dillahunty et al have thoroughly shewed up and spat out your ridiculous "not in context" argument over slavery. The verses are very specific and no amount of apologetics will cover them up.
Lot is describes as "righteous" also a biblical scholar also had this to say about his incestuous activities: " In the case of his two daughters the Bible states very clearly that Lot was not aware of either daughter using him to impregnate themselves (Genesis 19:31-35). Obviously he knew what had happened soon enough, but it was only after the fact. As far as the Lord was concerned, Lot's righteousness remained ..." Let that sink in Joc...god thinks he is still righteous.....Well, drunkenly screwing ones virgin daughter or niece is going to get you a long prison sentence and rightly so. But apparently god thinks its just a bit of fun and poor old Lot was just pissed out of his mind, still could get erect and do the deed...yeh, love to see Lot and god the facilitator explaining that to a detective from the sexual crimes branch. Its bollocks JoC and indefensible. Like character witnesses at a priestly peadophile trial it does not bear scrutiny.
@JoC Re: Exodus 21:20-21 “And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property."
JoC reponse: "...basically it's taken out of context. This part of Exodus isn't even a "How to use your slave" section. If you read the verses before this (starting with verse 12), it's actually about what happens if someone kills another person or personal injury.
Normally I would not bother dignifying something this absurd with a response, but this is just too good to pass up. Out of context??? Really? Wow. How super-stretchy limber contortionistic can a human mind possibly be? I have no idea, but yours has GOT to be at Olympic levels, JoC. Possibly even beyond. Again.... Wow. But, to my point...
Any fifth grade reading level child could look at that passage and understand exactly what it says. Namely, one person OWNING another person as property. There is no "context" to misunderstand. And as far as it being a "general rule. If you murder someone, you will be put to death" lesson, you are STILL completely all screwed up. Why, you may ask? Because that passage clearly/plainly/concisely/precisely/in-no-uncertain-termsly states that as long as the slave (Oh, excuse me. The "owned servant".) remains alive a day or two after a beating, the beater/owner of that OWNED individual will not be punished. Having spent a twenty year career on the streets dealing daily with crimes such as rapes, assaults, murders, etc., please allow me to let you in on a bit of criminal knowledge: In the real world I live in, if a person beats another person, he/she will be arrested and charged with Assault. However, if the person who was assaulted ends up dying as a result of the injuries received during the assault, the suspect then gets charged with murder..... And... it.... does.... not... matter....how... many.... days... have... passed.... since the original assault. So, on this particular subject, please do spare us the mental gymnastics you are so often fond of exhibiting.
Why bother arguing scripture... how bout the tooth fairy. The Jesus people should go save themselves... sorry, I'm just getting resentful.
Whenever Christians try to argue using Biblical quotes, I generally tell them, "would you agree with someone who took your argument from the Quran or another religious book?". If they say no, then I ask, "why should I accept your bible?".