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John: I doubt you are an expert on human sexuality or gender. How many transgender people did you interview/ study to formulate this "theory"?
Two questions before I answer:
1. Do you disagree with what I wrote?
2. If so, then is the length of my resume essential to your disagreement?
I do not value uneducated people making pseudoscientific guesses and calling it a "theory". I do not take my car to the barber for repairs either.
Well, what you shouldn't do is value what educated people say, ironically enough. People conflate opinions with facts, when they see Dr. in the name.
I think I know the difference between a theory and your opinion.
I hope so: A theory is an explanation for something; and an opinion is a position on something.
Is my OP attempting to explain something, or stating its position on something?
A theory is an explanation based on evidence. An opinion is sometimes based on valid evidence. Sometimes, people just pull opinions out of there ass. So, back to my original question. How many transgender people did you interview or study to formulate this "theory" of yours. (Notice how I keep putting the word theory in commas as if to scoff at its usage?)
I didn't interview anyone (But I do know one personally).
Spoken from a well-entrenched position of ignorance.
Books, people, and the centers of learning are all an accumulation of centuries of well researched and careful thought. It is the accumulation of facts and knowledge. If you casually dismiss all this learning you either do not comprehend the message, or lacking in education in this area.
Well, it benefits me to be seen as arguing from a position of ignorance, because I want to be objected to, I want to be rebutted, and I want to be refuted. My "expertise" doesn't matter. My arguments need to stand on their own merit, not mine.
And another dishonest lie, he asked what research you'd based your assertion on, and never asked about your qualifications or lack thereof. His doubts are well founded though, given your inability to offer any accredited peer reviewed research to support your claims, and of course your dishonest evasion of his question.
Link your research please, and any peer reviewed publications that have published it?
Well lets just cut to the chase, can he link the breaking news from the American Psychiatric Association that outlines his paradigm shifting research? As they seem to still think homosexuality is a perfectly normal derivation of adult human sexual desire, and have done for decades?
The thread is about transgender not homosexuals, I can see why you got confused.
So link the publications carrying your peer reviewed research then, or do you think your evasion will fool us dullards who haven't had the benefit of a university education?
Why does not having a university education matter?
I'm not looking to convince anyone that I'm right, I'm looking to have people convince me that I'm wrong so I can make improvements. Unfortunately, nobody really addresses the points I've forwarded. The most interesting objection so far has been my use of the word decision lol.
"Why does not having a university education matter?"
I have no idea?
"I'm not looking to convince anyone that I'm right,"
Just as well.
" I'm looking to have people convince me that I'm wrong so I can make improvements."
A novel approach, the lack of substantive objectively verifiable evidence not compelling enough for you? Try getting your claims peer reviewed, until then consider your claims to be pure hearsay.
"Unfortunately, nobody really addresses the points I've forwarded. "
I feel your pain, nothing worse. Do you think it was objectively moral for your deity to torture a baby to death in the bible, because it was angered that it was conceived from an adulterous affair?
"The most interesting objection so far has been my use of the word decision lol."
Really, I thought my request for a link to a peer reviewed publication carrying your research was pretty much of a slam dunk.
Unfortunately, it is more of an appeal to authority than a slam dunk. But I'm happy to have reached a position where your only objection to my arguments is that I haven't been published yet nor received a nobel prize.
It's an appeal to authority which is a slam dunk, as that authority is the process by which such research is best judged. Or were you implying a fallacious appeal to authority? I never said that was my only objection, in fact I believe I already asked for objective evidence and you ignored my request. As for a Nobel prize I think it's obvious you're placing your wheezy asthmatic horse behind your cart.
So far all you have done is offer an opinion based on hearsay, in an internet chat room. Blown away I am not, especially you'll forgive me, given your form on here.
the transgender issue is quite the hot topic at the moment,
on a scientific point of view i consider it a neurological condition that i'm happy to change my mind on when
the specific science/peer reviewed papers come in to state otherwise.
if someone wishes to be identified as a women or a man, going against their gender of birth then fine, why cant we respect peoples wishes in life, however i would draw the line at the stupid pronouns and 'non binary' genders and worst of all, different kins i.e cat kin where people identify as a cat. i am sorry, but they need to grow up on require serious mental help.
the pronouns is what irritates the most, demanding others use your specific made up language goes against their rights, in freedom of speech.
i apologise, i know most women tend to be very supportive of this movement but i follow the science and common sense,
also it is not just those in questions who deserve to be fairly treated and respected, we all do!
Well I do think the political shouldn't muddle the scientific. Precisely because understanding why a person is a certain way, has no implications with human rights, respect, or dignity.
But I do find it interesting that women are supportive. Because what does it mean to "feel" like a woman exactly? Its a presumption of knowledge. I'm tempted to believe that even if you told me, I wouldn't comprehend, because you don't know what it feels to be a man either. We have no reference point from which to know what other people know and feel.
That's why I think the simples explanation is cognitive. They're taking information derived from their own experience, (an experience which might not even be representative of what woman experience), and attaching a "women" label to it.
"Well I do think the political shouldn't muddle the scientific."
Hahahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahahhaha, I couldn't read on sorry. When will you be voicing your opposition to the political interference of creatards in trying to subvert scientific facts in favour of religious beliefs in state education?
there could well be many possible avenues that could lead to the reason or cause,
but i would imagine that women supporting their rights is mostly due to we being generally more naturally empathetic then men.
i would agree to a degree that i find it strange when women proclaim they 'know' how it is to be a real women, or say perhaps Caitlin Jenner winning women of the year, which is unfair to actual women who made huge progress such as Emily levesque who is a great astronomer.
so to a point i agree, they cannot relate on many levels nor have the experience we have of pregnancy, labour, menstration (sorry guys lol) and many other points.
yet, they are still humans! why should we stop people from living life how they wish? again, providing it does not infringe on others then i see no issue.
I do think we need to reach a point, even for psychological issues, where we can diagnose things like gender dysphoria in ways that don't require them telling just us "I feel like a woman." I think reaching that point is good for everyone, for those that do have it and those that don't. Particularly when it comes to children and hormone therapies.
"yet, they are still humans! why should we stop people from living life how they wish? again, providing it does not infringe on others then i see no issue."
Brilliant post, I salute you, and there is nothing in there I could disagree with.
"Well I do think the political shouldn't muddle the scientific. Precisely because understanding why a person is a certain way, has no implications with human rights, respect, or dignity."
Everything you post here Breezy, by your own admission is based on your faith, creed and sub cult of christianity ( aka politics). You have already admitted as much. However much you protest to try and separate your "arguments" from your "faith" the fact is they are one and the same.
You are trying to justify your opinion with mere word play and a pretend dichotomy which is fooling no one not even yourself. Your 'religion/caste/cult has no respect for any human unless they adopt your narrow view and interpretation of your 'holy book'.
Just 'fess up will you? Tiresome is as tiresome does.
I do not expect a response as it has already been noted you ignore what you do not like and denigrate those that are too close to the mark for you.
My response is simple: Straw God Fallacy
Ugh.
@ Breezy.
Everything you post here Breezy, by your own admission is based on your faith, creed and sub cult of christianity ( aka politics). You have already admitted as much. However much you protest to try and separate your "arguments" from your "faith" the fact is they are one and the same.
You are trying to justify your opinion with mere word play and a pretend dichotomy which is fooling no one not even yourself. Your 'religion/caste/cult has no respect for any human unless they adopt your narrow view and interpretation of your 'holy book'.
Just 'fess up will you? Tiresome is as tiresome does.
Simple yes, and dishonest. My response is I simply don't believe you as I think you're being dishonest.
Breezy "My response is simple: Straw God Fallacy"
As is mine. Straw man use of your fallacious and evasive straw god argument.
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