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@Mohammed
On what basis would a theist come to a conclusion that the voices that they are hearing might be a delusion or maybe even a prank played by friends?
I'm not saying they would - only that they need to. Speaking as someone who, at least once in his life, has experienced a near psychotic breakdown , I know just how realistic those voices can seem.
Don't ask me for details of that because the reason for the breakdown is a very private matter. But I will tell you something that I sincerely believe to be true. The reason that Catholic priests end up half crazy is because they are forced to be celibate. Men aren't intended by nature to celibate. If you deny them sex, they end up batshit crazy - as Mykob4 would put it. I look at some of those priests and I think 'Go have yourself a good fuck with someone, son, you'll see the world differently after that.
I agree celibacy isn't for everyone. But I disagree that anyone is forced into the priesthood and forced to be celibate. That is something they choose to do voluntarily.
I think some of them choose celibacy freely, but not all of them. But that doesn't change the truth of what I've said. Are you celibate, by any chance?
@keith
Oh.. I'm sorry to hear that.
Ok let's drop the 'voices' thing altogether.
I see why it might be confusing.
What if when you wake up you find a document in your room whose language resembles that of any holy scripture, and has the same message from 'god' that I mentioned earlier.At this any sane person would obviously deny the claim of the document being from god and wait for the EVIDENCE.
My question is why is that not the case with any holy scripture which also has no evidence that it is from god.
@Mohammed: That isn't a problem. Go ahead and express your views freely. There's no apology necessary. I also think that some men join the clergy because they're gay and can't cope with it. They're the ones who end up with the biggest problems - like abusing young boys.
What is acceptable evidence that a scripture is from God?
@AJ777 : I'm glad you're joining in with this. I may have chased you away with insults before but I'm not going to do that again, and I ask everyone else here not to do it. However I think that YOU should answer that question.
Maybe the question I should have asked is what evidence would you accept? To deny that evidence exists is either irrational, dishonest, or ignorant. Acknowledging that evidence does exist but simply remaining unconvinced by the evidence is a rational position.
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/men-moved-by-the-holy-spirit-spoke-from-god
https://www.gotquestions.org/proof-inspiration-Bible.html
@AJ: You shouldn't have to descend to insults to prove a point. If you do that, you lose the argument.
@AJ777
In response to the first link you shared.
1. Fulfilled prophecies are not exclusive to the Bible.First of all they are often just coincidences and secondly it is almost always the case that what is prophesied has very little resemblance with its 'fulfillment'.But it is always made to seem like they are actually connected just like people come up with contexts of their own when they see a contradictory verse.And i don't see why some prophecies won't be 'fulfilled' with everyone having the knowledge of them.
Not a proof of god's existence or the Bible being the word of god.
2.Unity of the Scripture.
I completely disagree with that, given the various contradictions in the Bible verses.And even if it was the case I fail to see how it proves that God exists and Bible being his word.
3.For the third one I'll go like this.
The Bible presents its heroes truthfully with all of their faults and weaknesses, therefore God exists.Whaaat..???How rational does that sound.
4. Archaeological findings don't prove anything other than whatever is written in the Bible might (or not) be part of the history.
By the way it is mentioned in the fourth point that Bible suggested that the earth was round before anyone else.Well, I will not comment on that but you can also find verses in the Bible which suggest otherwise.
AJ777
For proving that any scripture is from god you would first need to prove that God exists.
@Mohammed. Right question.
@Muhammad:
There are things I would tell you by private message, but I can't. Your user name is probably different to the name that appears on your posts. You have to make them the same if you want to use PM's.
Oh I didn't know about PM.
I'll check it out.Thanks.
It claims to be the voice of God and tells you that the only way you could attain absolution is to kill someone.
Why wouldn't you believe that it actually was god.(assuming you wouldn't
Absolution is the release from guilt, obligation or punishment. It is also the declaration that a person's sins has been forgiven.
I don't believe that I would have to kill anyone or for that matter, do anything more for absolution because of what Jesus had done at the cross which was to sacrifice himself and pay the price for the sins of many and bare our diseases.
Oh, FFS - someone is going to die. History proves it.
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