@Workingclasshero

Christianity is based on reward or punishment, there is no getting away from that.

I seen quite a few debates with theist here done by me and others where the debate sort of devolves to, making the god concept extremely vague and highly metaphysical so that the god idea is out of reach of any sort of fact checking or testing, evidence etc. But then they jump from a god they defined as essentially inconsequential (no need to worship or even really think about such a god concept it is so vague and "unreachable.") And then take it all the way back to why there specific god described in their prefered religious text and church why you should say for instance "accept jesus in your heart." There is no middle ground, they essentially define their god out of existence then expect you to have a very "personal and accepting" relationship with their god (or jesus in some cases.) All without showing the middle ground, the how to get there.

So I will argue that heaven/hell etc makes no sense, has huge reasoning holes and logical flaws in the concept, they will run down the path of a "god" that is outside of time and the universe, but then soon as they are done with that run all the way back to "have faith and accept jesus in your heart, etc." They are essentially talking about two different gods and using the "untouchable" status of the vague god essentially defined out of existence by them, to safeguard their god from argument, but then soon as that is over go right back to making god a huge part of their lives that they have a personal conversation with, why they need to "spread their religion on others" etc. It is usually pretty obvious to us, but the people that make the arguments are usually oblivious to it.

Are we ever going to grow up and face facts, or are we doomed to let fear continue to rule our lives.

Some of us already have (at least in regards to religion. Some of us will (hopefully more and more.) But I think there is a lot of people that will continue to let fear rule their lives, some really have almost no choice in it. A person with little financial means, in the middle of a highly religious area, especially islam, where everyone they know is highly religious, I would actually recommend they stay closeted about the fact they are not theist. (Just like I would recommend to someone that was say christian in that area/situation.)
 
 

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