Ritual butchering of animals

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Ritual butchering of animals

Should the ritual butchering (specifically halal and kosher, but there may be more) of animals be il/legal?

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Old man shouts at clouds's picture
Nope.End.

Nope.End.

CyberLN's picture
I’m confused. Nope to legal

I’m confused. Nope to legal or illegal?

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Cyber

@ Cyber

Sorry, was in a hurry and on my phone....Ritual slaughter of any animal should be banned. Prayers should not be said over any foods for general sale and consumption.

You want religious food? Open a small shop, pray over what you want, and take your chances, do not impose on the general disinterested populace.

xenoview's picture
Beligum just banned both of

Beligum just banned both of them.

CyberLN's picture
There’s a map here that shows

There’s a map here that shows current law across Europe.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_aspects_of_ritual_slaughter

Cognostic's picture
It is illegal in most places.

It is illegal in most places. The law only allows the "Humane Butchering of animals." Much like the way they are killed in slaughter houses. With all due respect, I don't see how we can allow the mass slaughter of animals in our factories and then complain that some VooDoo priest snapped a chicken's neck. I assume body parts of the sacrificed animals are properly dealt with. I know it is a problem in Israel.

"The United States is one of the countries that has legislation for protection of shechita (Jewish) and dhabihah (Muslim) ritual slaughter. The Humane Slaughter Act defines ritual slaughter as one of two humane methods of slaughter."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_aspects_of_ritual_slaughter#United_S...

I can not disagree with religious animal sacrifice, as long as it is not torture, without being hypocritical.

Here in Korea, Dog meat is eaten. If you live near a dog restaurant you can hear them beating the dogs in the mornings. They hang them by their hind legs and beat them to death with a stick. This apparently tenderizes the meat. Dog restaurants are now illegal in many large cities but they ship in the meat from the countryside and still serve it. I would object to the inhumane torture of animals.

sujandinesh22's picture
+1

+1

For a cow, it doesn't matter if it was butchered for ritual or for consumption.

Just how you cannot kill a person to sacrifice him to the God of balls or to eat him.

I will be starting a new thread for this, seems like an interesting discussion to have.

xenoview's picture
New York times has an article

New York times has an article on it. Have trouble getting links on my phone.

algebe's picture
New Zealand and Australia

New Zealand and Australia both have halal slaughter systems. I'm not sure about Australia, but New Zealand law requires all animals to be stunned before killing, whether for halal purposes or not. As long as the animal is alive when it's killed, it meets the halal standard.

The big issue in my opinion is live sheep exports. The animals suffer incredibly on long sea voyages through the tropics, and there 's no guarantee that they'll be slaughtered humanely in the Middle East. New Zealand has already banned the practice, and I hope Australia will too.

The only considerations for animal slaughter should be humaneness, safety, and hygiene.

Sky Pilot's picture
If you can't ritually kill

If you can't ritually kill animals how will you ever be able to cure leprosy? And don't forget about the animal sacrifices when women have babies. A neighbor has to break a donkey colt's neck in a few days if he can't redeem it with a lamb.

arakish's picture
What about us bow hunters.

What about us bow hunters. What we do could be considered ritual.

rmfr

SecularSonOfABiscuitEater's picture
Ritual killing no, but I

Ritual killing no, but I wouldn't mind if the culinary methods remain the same for the halal food carts. It's fucking delicious.

LogicFTW's picture
@CyberLN original post

@CyberLN original post

To me the question is: can we say: "ban any ritualistic butchering" of animals, but not include normal food consumption of animals in that ban?

For instance, 9 billion chickens are slaughtered every year in just the US alone. Can we, in the face of such large scale slaughter then turn around and say: "no, you cannot kill a chicken for your ritual?"

Food waste is also a huge issue, especially in the US, it is said more than 50% of all food grown/raised for consumption never gets eaten and instead heads for the landfill, or best case scenario, gets composted. While I imagine meat products is a lower percentage, even if just 11% of chickens does not get consumed, that is still 1 billion chickens a year that are raised, fed, and killed, (with a great environmental cost) then sent to trash (without even being eaten,) every year in the US alone.

Perhaps if food waste was not such an issue, we could maybe say: well eating a chicken at least someone gets fed, but again, another issue rises up, a vast majority of all people can live on a vegetarian or even vegan diet, we do not need meat and dairy to live long healthy lives, in fact large quantity consumption of especially red meat has been shown to be detrimental to good health outcomes.

Huge amounts of food we grow, (that also uses huge amounts of clean water,) is in turn, used to feed livestock. If we all became vegans and stopped food waste, the US "bread basket" could feed the entire world, no one going hungry anywhere, simple, (but large!) kCal calculations bear this math out. (Transportation and distribution issues notwithstanding.)
 
 

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Whatever makes the OverLord happy, if you ask me. We don’t want a grumpy OverLord. If He asks for blood, damnit, give em blood. It’s not like those things have feelings or emotions!

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