Refugees aren't just Refugees

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Endri Guri's picture
Refugees aren't just Refugees

I'm not going to give any speech, all I see interesting to know is located here -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9e_vcSut0A

Those Americans who think this is stupid, mind your ignorance because U.S is not facing this crisis.

A little info on the guy:
He's a atheist, a advocate for secularism, free speech and democracy. Take note, if any of you asks the definition of "democracy" for this guy, Democracy isn't just a lilly-llaby let's-always-shake-hands-idea.

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Nyarlathotep's picture
I didn't make it very far

I didn't make it very far into the video. I turned it off when he started endorsing unilineal evolution.

Endri Guri's picture
Well you think not? Is not

Well you think not? Is not Western culture superior to that of the Middle Eastern one? Is that the fallacy you believe in? Calling a culture superior to another is not racism or xenophobia, it's a realistic fact, the reason that so many Countries around the world have adapted to the Democratic system, doesn't that show a clear fact?

Nyarlathotep's picture
Endri - Is not Western

Endri - Is not Western culture superior to that of the Middle Eastern one?

While I don't agree with your conclusions, you have done a great job of putting your finger on the key issue with that question. Let me rephrase it slightly: "Is culture A superior to culture B"? How could we answer that question? One method (1) would be to pick some property of cultures and measure this property of culture A and culture B and compare the measurements (for the sake of argument, I'll assume such a thing is possible).

  • Method 1: So we pick property X and measure it for both cultures. We find that culture X(A) = 5, and X(B) = 6. Now using this method we can objectively say that culture B is superior. The problem is: you are going to have a hard time convincing others that property X is the right property to use for this determination. Others will want to use property Y or Z. Worse: many people will object that the whole method is flawed, since no single property can be used to determine which culture is superior; that instead we should use multiple properties. Which leads us to method 2.
  • Method 2: We will measure several properties (X, Y, Z) of each culture then sum them, then compare the sums. But we are not out of the woods yet. For example: someone might complain that property X is much more important than property Y, and should be given more weight in the sum, which leads us to method 3.
  • Method 3: Just like method 2, except we will multiply the value of each property by a number that has been assigned to it (to give it more or less weight). And example might be multiply X by 0.25, Y by 0.5, and Z by 1; then sum them. Now we have an interesting scheme where the definition of what superior means is contained within a table of properties (X, Y, Z) and their associated coefficients (0.25, 0.5, 1). I'm sure you see the problem with this: this table is complete fiat. If you ask 20 people to construct this kind of table, I have no doubt you will get 20 different tables.

You might notice all 3 methods are objective, in that everyone who agrees to use the method (with your table) will get the same result. But the choice of the details of any given method is highly subjective.

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Endri - Calling a culture superior to another is not racism or xenophobia, it's a realistic fact

So because of what I laid out above, I'm extremely skeptical of your statement that it is a fact that culture A can be superior to culture B; as I see no way in which it could be anything other than an opinion.

Endri Guri's picture
I do see now, for as much as

I do see now, for as much as I can understand. My head is a boiling pot right now, too many news on crimes committed by refugees is frying my neurons.

Nyarlathotep's picture
I would suggest trying to

I would suggest trying to find data to compare the crime rates of refugees with crime rates of "long time residents" with similar economic status (I guessing that refugees are rather poor). But sadly I'm guessing this data might not exist; and I'm definitely not willing to guess what the result would be.

jamiebgood1's picture
Damn Nyarlathotep that was so

Damn Nyarlathotep that was so well explained. Cultures can't be valued by their wealth alone but so many other thing contribute to a successful society.

jamiebgood1's picture
This English man is a real

This English man is a real asshole. He reminds me of Alex jones from info wars.
I have a wealthy Swedish client. She vacations with her family on their own island. She was talking about how she didn't want to forget anything because no grocery stores on their island. I recently asked about the terror in Sweden because of trumps comments.
First, she said rape is calculated differently in Sweden. If a husband rapes his wife 365 days a year then she reports it each rape is counted as a separate incident. Makes for a very high statistic.
She also said Swedish people need immigrants and have always welcomed them, because with out them their life styles would change completely.
As for the rapists in Europe I was concerned until I found out that in multiple cases the victims wouldn't receive a rape kit test and later took back their storeies or changed them.FAKE NEWS! The newspaper that ran the story apologized for false info.

Harry33Truman's picture
She's wealthy, of course she

She's wealthy, of course she doesn't have to deal with it.

Harry33Truman's picture
Why on earth would we welcome

Why on earth would we welcome in a bunch if terrorists, call them "refugees" and let them run around raping everybody? Thats just stupid.

jamiebgood1's picture
Harry Truman, we should

Harry Truman, we should welcome them because they are not a bunch of rapists but families and children.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-waterston/refugees-international-givin...

It takes almost 2 years for a Syrian refugee to be vetted to come to the United States. If they can finally escape the horrors they faced in their homes they will enter America having been checked by every agency possible and we will more info on them than most of us Americans.

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Harry33Truman's picture
That's why 80% of them are

That's why 80% of them are military aged men who support Sharia Law?

Nyarlathotep's picture
Harry Truman - That's why 80%

Harry Truman - That's why 80% of them are military aged men who support Sharia Law?

Bullshit alarm going off on that one!

Sky Pilot's picture
The problem may not

The problem may not necessarily be with the refugee parents but with their refugee children who will grow up in the foreign countries. They are the ones who usually resort to crime and terrorism. It's stupid to flood a country with people who may be insane from coping with decades of war and destruction in their homelands.

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