The Pepper Moth

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Most biologist that study

Most biologist that study evolution use fruit flies and bacteria. Fruit flies live for 4 days and the changes can be observed for many many generations in a short period of time. They can even "force" evolution in controlled experiments. Harvard leads the way in gene mapping and that information proves invaluable in evolution DNA study. The problem with bacteria is that the changes are way to fast and stages can be missed.

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Pathway Machine - "What I

Pathway Machine - "What I know is that the Pepper Moth is viewed as a case of evolution and evolution is touted by atheist to be fact, evidence that Jehovah didn't create the universe and planet where we live, and I find the claim made by evolution regarding the pepper moth to be either extremely dishonest, or just fake and stupid."

People do make the claim that evolution is evidence against the existence of a god, but it is a silly argument.

I know you don't really understand the way science is done, and that's OK. Let me give you an example:

If tomorrow god came down from his cloud (or whatever) and appeared to everyone on the planet, convinced everyone he was real, that he created everything, and the bible was his book; biologists would go right back to studying evolution the next day. Why? Because evolution has nothing to do with god. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.

1) Life forms have offspring.
2) These offspring are genetically different from their parents
3) Environmental pressures eliminate certain genetic lines, thereby only the one suited for their environment managed to have offspring
4) Isolation can cause groups of what you thought was species A to not be able to reproduce with other members of species A.

All of the above are observed facts in the real world. Evolution is the conclusion given those facts. If we all learned that god was real tomorrow, it wouldn't change those facts and the (almost forced) conclusion. And it matter not where life came from.

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Nice post! I would emphasize

Nice post! I would emphasize under point 1 the fact that offspring carry a genetic inheritance from their parents which pass on a selection of their traits. To tighten things up a tad, we could also note that the offspring vary in their characteristics--which is pretty much what you said in point 2. One more point, which is not immediately obvious, is that many more offspring are generated than can possibly survive in the long run. Thus, there is a real competition going on.

Most people don't realize that the principles of natural selection (Darwin's main contribution) can logically apply to things other than life forms! The vastly complicated layout of the central chip(s) in your computer, for one example, were designed with the help of natural selection (their principles logically being applied to this new area)! The complexity of these computer chips has long since passed the stage where some genius or team can work it all out on human brainpower. This engineering application using the principles of natural selection (restated in a more general form) had to wait until decent computers came along. With clever programming the computer can tap into the power of the basic principles of natural selection (restated in a more general sense) to "evolve" more efficient designs. Such programming has actually been used to design difficult aircraft and many other things. That is to say, the basic principles behind natural selection really do work! If they work so well for engineers, why shouldn't they produce spectacular results when all the conditions are met in nature (the points you mentioned)--especially when nature has hundreds of millions of years and wildly changing environments to work with?

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