Hello guys, I am asking this due to my own experiences and other experiences I hear. An example is just yesterday, a user on my thread about NDEs says he used to be skeptical, but after he had one, he saw things he couldn't have known, and how he knew it was real. I hear this many times from NDErs. I also hear about people who will have a dream about someone who they hadn't talked to in years saying farewell to the person dreaming, saying they have passed on, only for the person to wake up and hear the next day that at around the time of the dream, the person did in fact die. This has happened to myself a few times, and I know people will say it's B.S. but I have really had dreams about deaths only to find out they occured later. Anothrr example a person who debated Matt Dillahunty, his name was Mike Licona. He had a story of a friend. This friend went to bed one Saturday night, and woke up at 3:30 in the morning. She suddenly saw a transparent ghost in her room which was a recognizable face; a face of an old classmate she hadn't seen in about 10 years. She was confused by this. Then the face took the shape of a smiling red devil or demon. She said she prayed to God, and it went away. The next day, she at the breakfast table, her father handed her the paper. Sure enough that individual died at a concert at 3:30 am that day.
I hear people having remote viewing abilities, etc.
The thing is, yes they are anecdotes, and I admit they should be taken with a grain of salt, but just how much is too much? For example, my experiences of me dreaming a person dying and then finding out it happened really happened to me on multiple occasions. Now, you could call those coincidences, maybe there is something deeper in our brains that we haven't discovered and they can detect some sort of energy when people die, maybe it really is their soul interacting, the possibilities are endless. The thing is, I know they took place. And i am sure others are sure their testimonies were real. How can we fully dismiss them? Also, would it be better to assume that even if all these things happend as people described, that we just cannot explain how they happened, and therefore we cannot say they happened due to supernatural causes? I just fear being too dismissive. The thing is, what if these people are bang on about what they experienced?
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Do you have the ability to say anything clearly, concisely and accurately? Can you utter a single sentence without a plethora of unsubstantiated assumptions? Every time you make an assumption you try to justify it with twenty or thirty other unjustified assumptions. Just reading your post is a labor in patience.
No one cares about your examples, which by the way, are not examples. They are just crap you have heard. There is no substantiation to any of this BS.
@ "The thing is, what if these people are bang on about what they experienced?" Then there would be facts and evidence supporting their assertions. 'THERE ISN'T ANY'
There is no legitimate research supporting the idea that a soul exists. There is no legitimate research asserting that NDEs are nothing more than oxygen starved brains hallucinating. It's all "Woo Woo."
@Russian-Tank
Your problem is that you are attempting to prove the impossible by saying that something impossible has happened, which is self-defeating. If it has happened, it is not impossible.
Would be real nice if just once, just once, a very "spiritually" attuned person that can be visited by those about to pass on, or recently passed on, could actually demonstrate this technique in a testable, laboratory setting.
Of course the problem is, it can not be done easily it is far too rare and random. Unlike people that claim they can see halo's above certain people, people could not put NDE's or seeing ghost of people in laboratory settings. - The seeing a halo thing was soundly debunked hard when a simple test of having a person that says they can see another person with a halo, and have that person stand behind a wall just high enough that you cannot see the person, but could see the "halo" above their head. Of Course every person that claimed they could "see" the halo failed miserably in these test when asked where the person was behind this "just tall enough" wall.
Of course there is a story all over the internet where a domestic cat that lived in a nursing home, would frequently pick the bed of a person near death to sleep on. The cat was not even close to always right, but was pretty eerily accurate. Now either you can decide that cat has special divine like powers, or you can have experts come in and examine what is going on, the experts could not definitively answer what was going on, but they also noted that there were a few things that helped explain it.
Either way, that cat has more evidence and proof of "special powers" then any human I ever heard of when it comes to ghost visiting them, (or dreams.)
Russian Tank
Please listen to this video of Neil deGrasse Tyson. I mean really listen to what he says. It can be applied to literally anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BRDCxNEuyg
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Nothing in there demonstrates any objective evidence of anything, again. It's just yet another disjointed list of unevidenced subjective claims and assumptions. Why would I care what someone did or did not believe before they decided to believe this? That tells me nothing about the validity of the claim, and of course I have now way to objectively verify your claims anyway, and I must say I am dubious given your track record for machine gunning claims at us then leaving.
@ Russian-Tank: How many people have to tell you the same thing before you actually begin listening. "You are demonstrably WRONG!"
"I can't explain this thing therefore I can make up an explanation for it" or "I can't explain it therefore I can explain it"
It's like the old "UFO" thing.
Person A: I saw a UFO!
Person B: So you don't know what it was.
Person A: No, I said it was a UFO, you know, an alien ship.
Person B: No, what you saw was something you can't identify, hence the "U" in the term "UFO", you don't know what it was.
This is another example of "I can't explain it therefore I can explain it"
EDIT: But on the topic of 'testimony'
Eye witness testimony is unreliable which is why it's the least credible form of evidence in a courtroom, which is not to say that it's not credible and absolutely unacceptable in a laboratory. Try telling the scientific community that "well 50 people saw the results of the experiment" as evidence with those 50 people lined up and ready to say they did, they'll say "that's nice" and ignore you.
As I just brought up in another thread...
Even under conditions in which people knew a crime was going to be simulated before them people proved to be unreliable witnesses. This would be perfect conditions: a significant number of people, all looking in the right direction, all knowing something was about to happen, all ready to pay full attention to the events as they happen.
You know, something that would happen once in a million crimes. They didn't have to duck for cover, or take time to focus on what was going on. They were ready and waiting.
Each was interviewed about what they saw and the accounts varied wildly. It was also the case that days later people came back and repeated what they saw, and their own statements were often completely different.
"This is the same thing you told us last time?" "Yes" "Are you sure?"
They are then shown a tape of what they said before and frequently they cannot believe it. That's eye witness testimony for you.
Steven Spielberg once said in an interview that if anybody sees a UFO, it should be him. "they owe it to me". I thought you might find it amusing; I did.
We look for evidence for things we already believe or want to believe in. How many times did these people dream about someone dying but they hadn't actually died? If you asked the dreamer, they probably couldn't even answer you accurately because they're going to forget the vast majority of their dreams unless something happens to make it significant for them to remember.
My mom says god once told her to call her sister-in-law, only to find out that my mom's brother was threatening her with a butcher knife, and that phone call had him leave her alone and calm down. But how many times was my sister-in-law abused and "god" never told my mom to call? Or how many times did my mom feel the need to call her brother, but there was nothing significant going on?
I get how these anecdotes can seem convincing if you really want to believe. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing. But you have to keep in mind how terribly biased humans are and how unreliable brains and memory are.
Hey there, Stone! How ya been doin', girl? Haven't seen ya in a coon's age.
Heyo, Tin-Man! I'm doing well. Y'know, just been busy at work and sometimes lurking around these parts.
RT! Tank is a good name for you. When it comes to NDEs you just roll right over the barbed wired barricades (reasonable arguments).
A story told by a stranger about a friend of the stranger... and does that have any credibility?
Russian-Tank, you are starting to slide down that slippery slope of sanity. No kidding, you are losing it. Get professional medical help. This has become an unhealthy obsession.
What if these people are confused, or even lying? Do you have any idea how many ways a person can be confused about something, especially under spooky, unusual circumstances? What if the odds are a jillion to one that you are dealing with confused stories perpetuated by confused people? What if believers in such stories unconsciously enhanced them before passing them on? If you were betting your house on the outcome, don't you think it would be way more sensible to go with the confused story-confused people-confused transmission outcome? Such confusion happens all the time. A smart bet is in proportion to the probability.
I have a friend of a friend who told a friend about an situation he heard about in town of Fort Knox, Ky just outside the army base where he saw the ghost of Elvis Priestly performing "In The Army Now." That was enough to convince me Ghosts are real. You can't possibly prove this did not happen. Why are people so closed minded. Obviously if you can not explain everything, anything is possible. It's like listening to the static on a radio where there is no station. If you listen you can hear all the secret messages the Illuminati are sharing with the Masons as they take over governments and work towards the New World Order. Anyone with an IQ of 10 can see these events are real. Of course as your IQ nears 100, you become stupid and can no longer see the obvious. 50% of all people on the planet have IQs above 100. That is a sad state of affairs and just serves to demonstrate how closed minded we actually are as a species. It's also why the aliens have become more advanced than us.
If it's good enough to make you believe something supernatural then that's great, but you still haven't explained what it is evidence of. You can sense when people die from across great distances? Like right at the apparent time? So let me know when I'm going to kick the bucket. Oh wait, I'll know before you do so nevermind!
Yep, I'm convinced, there must be a gawd.
If a burning bush showed up and said, "Grandma's about to die, go say something," twenty minutes before your grandmother collapses then we might be on to something.
Well the veracity of the claims could be tested. Double blind clinical trials, give him just names of people, he selects the one close to dying, some are perfectly fine, some are terminally ill and close to death,, some are fictional names. Double blind so that the testers don't know which names are which either. If he can select correctly on any regularity above blind luck it, then it warrants more research, but of course it never has, and there's always an excuse in the form a rationalisation of why such claims fail.
They tested the puddle of pee Elvis left behind and it contained his DNA. Ha! It was real.
During sleepy time, the brain flushes out the toxins built up during waking hours, among other things. So, it could during R.E.M. create strange dreams for no other reason than that's just what it does.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/28/brain-sleep-_n_5863736.html