"Not is there heaven, nor is there hell", the modern Brahman spoke with "I know"-attitude.
"So how comes, if that is the case, that you fear the falling down, devastation, pain? And how comes, if that is the case, that you desire upwardly, ease and happiness? It doesn't seems to be wisely thought, but merely a kind of 'fox and the grapes'-approach, denying out of incapacity. But in how far would such help?"
Now, not sure of what the Atheist-Brahmans and there leaded praise: may it leave needed room to know more about their thought-strategies for certain ease.
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What are you trying to say here?
Is english not your first language?
Which part could not be understood by LogicFTW?
@Samana Johann
Oh all right I will go through this piece by piece.
The quote makes perfect sense, your quip about "I know"-attitude. Seems to indicate that you do not care for how confident the author of the quote is. Which vaguely indicates you think there is at least a possibility for heaven and hell.
Is this also a quote from Brahman? You do not indicate if is, yet you do not mention anyone else it could be attributed to. The quote reads to me as heaven and hell concepts are a carrot and stick approach, but not well thought out, and the author ask's how helpful is heaven/hell concepts and also any defense of the heaven/hell concept is only via "denying out of incapacity." Nothing about this quote seems like modern english to me, it reads much more like much older english literature almost to the style of Wukkuan Shakespeare's time and writing style. I did not bother to google either quote.
Again, this is not normal english writing style, hence the question is english your first language? Atheist-brahmans? I am an atheist that frequents an atheist discussion board and I never heard of this term before. Leaded praise? Again not common english, but as far as I can tell that is an insult of the type of praise. Thought-strategies for certain ease? Really? Again I hope for your sake, you speak a different language and you put your words in a free translator on the web.
I circle back to: I have no idea what you are trying to say. Do you think there is a heaven or hell or not? Do you think negatively of people that do not believe in heaven and hell? Speak plain english man! You are not writing a victorian era play, communicate normally. And maybe we can have a discussion, but I still after more examination do not really have any idea what you are talking about. And I would say I know more and have a higher level reading on these subjects then the vast majority through lots of practice and time spent here.
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So your a Hindu, and the Brahman are high priest.
How can a person be an Atheist and high priest at the same time?
As an Atheist I believe in zero gods.
I don't believe in heaven or hell.
"...and the Brahman are high priest.
How can a person be an Atheist and high priest at the same time?..."
So Atheist-Brahmans do not preach and don't regard themselves as hight, or how should this be understood?
"As an Atheist I believe in zero gods."
Which Brahma would worship Brahma?
"I don't believe in heaven or hell."
This does not answer the question raised toward such approaches (may one read the Op another time, xenoview.
So Atheist/Brahman are Atheist and priest at the same time? Does that mean they are religious Atheist?
What objective evidence do you have that heaven or hell exist?
As a clear object fear of hell in answering a question and strong desire for heavenly bliss of feeling secure can be seen all over here by the Brahmans of the Atheist-Sects. Would it be possible to desire something unknown by one, would it be possible to fear something not having body-wittnessed in the past?
It's possible useful to turn around the binocular to see the objectives and there evidence.
If there would not be much to wonder even for the base, where would there be a reason to point on the "kings new dress"?
My understanding about Atheism is not being religious and believing in zero gods.
Being an Atheist and a priest at the same time is illogical.
So you have no objective evidence for heaven or hell?
For being not religious (re-bond on a thesis), how does it come to be so bond? For denying Brahm (one who has a firm stand) how does it come to act like one?
If the would be slight evidence of logic there would be no reason to point on the "kings new dress".
Is it that ignorance could sweep not understood cause and effect away? Did it come from nothing and go to nothing as far as able to recollect?
Errrrr.... I'm fine for fruit and veg, thank you!
Nor sure. How could Randomhero1982, or who could Randomhero1982 garant that he will possibly not suddenly lack of them.
Thank you for your proposal on how to eradicate poverty and disease.
So there is also hope for supernatural solution and hope for heaven, or how should this approach in relatiin of the OP-question be understood, to understand the Atheist ways of defending their views, what ever they might be on heaven and hell. Fear of Hell to try to investigate for a valid approach?
How could someone outside f certain stands eradicate poverty and disease in certain views, give refuge of what does not stand in and of it self.
Heaven and hell are not practical considerations. Spending time on them is a waster of energy.
Also, treating poverty and disease as something one must endure rather than as a challenge to improve the world is not going to make the world a better place.
"I don't like it. It should not be..."
"..but since it is a fact, and I don't like it, ignoring it totally might be no solution as well..." "Actually I don't know, don't understand. What I don't know, don't understand is better to deny and hope to come acrose clearance by accident and go upwards by this means..."
At least it got it correct in the title.
There is no Heaven. There is no Hell.
Otherwise, me thinks it has eaten too many poppies...
rmfr
Again, to much fear of hell and to much desire after heaven, that arakish fears of losing hoped solid ground, and grasps after a thiny mental contruct with no base?
Samana
You still haven't proven there is a heaven or hell.
I don't seem a reward from heaven or have fear of Hell.
@ Sanka Jackoff
What the hell are you rambling on about? I have fear of nothing. Not even death. And what the fuck is a "thiny mental contruct with no base"?
I do not fear Hell since it is only a figment of a group of megalomaniacal psychotic sociopaths, and I damned sure ain't got no desire for Heaven since it is also a figment of a group of megalomaniacal psychotic sociopaths. And explain why I would fear losing hoped solid ground when it is already underneath me feet?
You have been smoking too many poppy seeds...
rmfr
And because having no fear, one seeks refuge in drugs... and because of no fear, one does not get confused and knows who spoke, knows whom to address... it's not because of understanding as it is, that the unattentive is prevent of fruits of unwise actions by thoughts, words and deeds.
Having had approached this certain Brahmans in this way, they where incapable of giving any valid or reasonable answer, some of them run into other matters, some tried to lead the cross-questioning astray, some others reacted in ale-wringing or they kept silent.
@xenoview
"""What objective evidence do you have that heaven or hell exist?"""
I'll drop in and answer this from a buddhist point of view. From a buddhist point of view, there are infinite possibilities of conditions to assemble in this world. There is huge variance in happiness even among humans. There is even bigger variance in body shape, mental tendencies, hapiness level, types of feelings one experiences, etc. in the animal realm. Since the world is bigger than planet earth, there almost certainly exist beings that experience more pleasure on average than humans, maybe a lot more pleasure. There will also be creatures way lower even than animals in terms of happiness levels. According to buddhism, besides the universe being infinite in time, going from big bang to expansion, then contraction, then another big bang again - it also claims there are being that can not be observed by humans living on this earth, due to lack of sense organs capable of perceiving them.
Well they got their cosmology badly wrong didn't they, kudos to them.
That's convenient.
Dxm
Interesting read, but that doesn't prove there is a heaven or hell.
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That's gibberish, did you translate that through Babel fish?
It's almost... random...
almost? How possible escape? Ignoring? It came back in that way or didn't it?
"So how comes, if that is the case, that you fear the falling down, devastation, pain? And how comes, if that is the case, that you desire upwardly, ease and happiness? It doesn't seems to be wisely thought, but merely a kind of 'fox and the grapes'-approach, denying out of incapacity. But in how far would such help?"
I am not a Hindu, I am an atheist and I dont beleive in heaven or hell.
I avoid falling down, devastation and pain, I do not seek them and I prefer ease and happiness.
However if I simply can not avoid the falling down, devastation and pain, I face and deal with it, as I have done in the past. I have not had an easy life.
Bad times give meaning and greater value to the good times and to life in general.
You believe only a hindu can think wisely about the existence of heaven and hell. Thats not surprising, Catholics and Muslims make the same claim of their faiths too.
But it is wrong to assume all non-hindus have given no thought or even wrong thought to the matter.
I know the atheist foxes in this forum have given a great deal of thought to matter of heaven and hell, and most have sampled the grapes and simply not liked the sour taste. Just because we are atheists does not mean we have not given great consideration to the matter. It just means we have come to a different conclusion.
I have considered the prospects of heaven, hell and immortality, long and earnestly, for more than sixty years. I have looked at many other religions as well as my native christianity and all I can say is "not is there heaven, nor is there hell".
My falling down and desiring upwardly are all apart of this one valuable and only life I have in this unique and incredible universe. I live it, good and bad, as best I can and I seek and expect nothing after death.
I hope that answers your question.
So the try to escape is simply denying facts? "It is not, It should not be, that there is hell and it's cause. It is not, it should not be, that heaven needs it's sacrifies..."
Having died here within, where did it lead another time? Have things been gone by childish denying them? Was it conductive all the many times shaked again, wandering through heaven and hell and when again over "See: neither destiny nor cause of it."
Where is your unique life now, Grinseed?
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