Recently, several theists have come here and said that they have definitive proof of their god. They propose that things are in motion. From that point is where their "proof" runs off the rails. They say that they are using logic, physics, science, and deductive reasoning. But they aren't.
1) The fact that things are in motion only proves that, well, things are in motion. You can't JUMP to a conclusion on that alone.
2) The laws of physics only apply about what we know, not what we don't know. One cannot state that "something cannot come from nothing". We don't know that that is a fact, in fact, there is real evidence that the opposite is true.
3) Even IF and it's a big if, that everything in motion DOES, in fact, need a prime mover, that doesn't prove that a god was that prime mover. That would be like saying "There was a balloon animal next to the murder victim so a clown was the murderer." It's not deductive reasoning to come to a conclusion without real facts or proof, it's wishful thinking.
4) This "prime mover" argument, is nothing new. It is a manifestation that comes from "intelligent design." it isn't science, it isn't even sound logic. It is like CyberLN says "word salad." Just a bunch of gibberish meant to distract rather than explain.
I post this thread as a reference to a future post made by theists that come here thinking that they have something new when in fact, it is an old argument.