I'm an atheist.
I've only been here a few days and already I'm considering not coming back. I've never met a more narrow minded bunch of bigots in my life. They refuse to see anyone else's point of view. They form social clicks where by they back each other up, regardless of the sense that other person is making. They constantly make appeals to authority. When backed into corners they resort to petty insults and lies.
Now about this time you're probably thinking I'm talking about the theists. I'm NOT. I'm talking about the atheists. At least, the most prominent ones who would go into withdraw symptoms if they did not make their STAMP OF DISAPPROVAL, everyday on anyone who did not conform to their over rated sense of self importance.
I pity the theists who come here because they have a weak position to begin with, but any atheists who come here in the hope of finding open minded, reason based, fellowship with like minded people are wasting their time. However, if you want academically brainwashed robots, who's entire life experience is based on what they read in books, this is the place for you. If your looking for wisdom however, I suggest going elsewhere.
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shiningone, I think you may have joined AR to be agreed with. Some folks chose to disagree with you and challenge your statements. You challenged back, and disagreed your share of the time. If that is what makes one a ‘narrow minded bigot’, then it seems you’re in the same club.
@shiningone
You ever consider any possibility at all that you are not 100% correct and all these "narrow minded bigots" are not 100% wrong?
I have agreed with you on a number of topics. One area I strongly disagree with you on is:
Some women like being raped and some women have zero emotional trauma from a rape.
I am just fine to discuss the various opinions on abortion and what is human life, if you could back your assertion that "human life begins when the mother is aware of it" I would be happy to hear your opinion on that. Instead you said I was taking you too literal.
I am mildly concerned about you and your stance on rape, (about as much as I can be for some anonymous post on the internet) but I am not upset at you, I would rather you did not leave, but instead backed your assertions with evidence if you wanted to be taken seriously in a debate. These are the debate forums afterall.
You are perfectly welcome to leave also if you are not looking for real debate. I been called out when I made my own mistakes, I own them then continue the debate. However calling most everyone here narrow minded bigots is your only debate I am fine with you taking off too, plenty of other people to have debate with that does not reduce themselves to name calling and broad labeling. I debate here on these "debate" boards precisely because some people disagree with me. If everyone agreed with me I would get bored and go elsewhere for debate.
Perhaps if you dislike debate just discuss in the hub? I try to make a point of not debating there, or asking for permission with the person if I feel the discussion could fall into debate.
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Sounds like someone is throwing a tantrum because people aren't blindly agreeing with him.
1) You say you're an Athiest now, but weren't you
Just saying that Athiests are Irrational?
What happened? You thought we were going to forget that a week later? LOL
2) You seem to resent this site and its members
in addition to expressing the lack of will to
return here... yet here you are posting in the
debate room again.
Sorry fella, but that's pretty irrational.
"ones who would go into withdraw symptoms if they did not make their STAMP OF DISAPPROVAL, everyday on anyone who did not conform to their over rated sense of self importance"
You have been doing this all week and you have the nerve to accuse us of this.
LOL good riddance.
I believe through my interaction on this site, that the folks here are some of the most intelligent, respectful, understanding and compassionate people that I personally have ever encountered on the internet. I helped, talk to a suicidal atheist on this site for hours, while in the background, help was being dispatched to that person by the sites executive. All I can do at this point is disagree with your brief assessment and welcome you to stay...I personally enjoyed our interaction.
@Shiningone
Soooo... Anybody who doesn't agree with you about EVERYTHING you believe is automatically a narrow-minded bigot? Ummmm.... The irony in that is almost palpable..... *shaking head in amazement*...
Here's the deal, dude. In case you haven't been paying attention, we do not always even agree with EACH OTHER on this site. I have even made a few good friends on here over the last few months, and WE do not always see eye-to-eye on various issues. So what? Still doesn't keep me from respecting who they are. And another little tidbit of info you might be interested in hearing... I happen to hold a number of personal beliefs/opinions that I know for a fact would get totally blasted and shredded if I were to put them on display here. I keep them to myself, however, because: 1. They are "personal". Not for public display. And 2. Because I am fully aware of the fact they are primarily just instinctual "gut feelings" that have no solid "evidence" to uphold them. And 3. They have no bearing on my being an atheist. However, if I were to open up a public debate about any of those things to try to convince people here why they should believe them, then I would have ZERO rights to bitch, moan, cry, and complain when somebody starts picking those beliefs to pieces. Matter of fact, I would expect nothing less.
Personally, I would rather people be honest with me about what they think/feel, even if I do not always like what they say. I do not have to have somebody always agreeing with me to like/respect that person. In that same respect, I do not always have to agree with a person to like/respect that person. But when an individual EXPECTS and/or DEMANDS that I always agree with him/her, or if that person gets all butt-hurt if I do not always agree with him/her, well..... *shrugging shoulders*.... it is rather difficult for me to like/respect that person.
I find it incredible that a person who does not believe in the existence of gods is able to get so angry about a group of "atheists" in large part because they don't agree with his narrow definition.
@Whiningone: I've never met a more narrow minded bunch of bigots in my life
Oh dear. Someone came into the Debate Room and found.....debate. Who would have thought it?
@shiningone
You first came here merely a week ago and started by telling everyone that the generally accepted definition of atheism was not rational. Then proceeded to argue that the 'Electric Universe' non-sense was superior to theories proposed by real scientists. Now that you find out people here don't agree with you, you call them 'narrow minded bigots'.
You said you came here because you were disappointed by the ACA blog. I suppose you're now disappointed again, and I suspect you will continue to be disappointed because not many atheists will agree with you.
@ Shiningone
I haven't responded to any of your threads/posts until this flouncy tantrum you penned
Redefining atheism seems to be flavor of 2019. You are not the first to attempt to do so. I expect you won't be the last. You can flounce your petticoats and pout all you want because no one agreed with you.
You then brought in the "Electric Universe" strangeness. Entertaining but essentially valueless, you got very upset when that was summarily dismissed (as it should be, being totally unevidenced and the realm of crackpots)
I am not going to poke your views on rape and abortion as I shall, indeed, get shouty.
You are but a long line of twisters i.e. those attempting to redefine perfectly understood words to fit their own agenda/argument.
You are behaving exactly the way they all have behaved when called out and forced to account for their actions.
You are but a dullish member of the "all you atheists" club.
Most of us on this site have widely different backgrounds cultures and mores. We have radically different politics, tastes and behaviours. I am lucky I have made some good friends on this site, continents away from me. I have found people I admire for the abilities, but I can assure you we are radically different thinkers.
If you want to stay and join in you could bring some new light to the topics. I disagree with you but that adds spice to the forums.
If you want to lift your darling petticoats and flounce out ...well, the doors over there don't let it hit you on the arse as you go...
shiningone I do not want you to disappear. But then again, no one is holding a gun to your head. You are free to do whatever makes you happy.
I disagree with you on some issues, and since I prefer to be blunt, if I run across a concept that to me is just plain dumb, I will say just that. If any of my previous statements caused you any emotional distress, I apologize because my intent is never to hurt, but rather provide a shock to the system, to cause someone to rethink their position.
Unfortunately I see a person who did not take the effort to work out any issues in private, but instead is making a scene for all to witness before he stomps out in self-righteous indignation.
Am I bigot? Definitely yes. I was raised in an environment where I learned behaviors that are not accepted today. I know I am not perfect, but each day I attempt to learn a little bit more about myself, discover flaws, and fix my bad behavior. I read this post, I will ponder on how I interacted and if I could have done any better. But if I did, I already know that not all of it was bad behavior from my end.
@ shiningone
It never ceases to amuse me that the most closed minded, blinkered intransigent people always think the people who disagree with them are somehow at fault.
That said you seem to have stumbled into a debate forum, but have no concept of how to debate, or even what it means if you think people disagreeing with you is somehow wrong or unfair. As for you accusing people of resorting to logical fallacies, and insults, that's just hilarious.
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However this was the most ironic of all...
shiningone "They form social clicks where by they back each other up,"
shiningone "any atheists who come here in the hope of finding...fellowship with like minded people are wasting their time."
...and in the same post...
@Sheldon
Holy shit! I totally missed that one! Good catch!... lol....
@ Sheldon
Aaaa fuck me...tipped the cat of me lap....I missed that, by crikey Sheldon, you started my day with good laugh. Captain Cat wasn't amused....but...*chuckles*
Got to have that applause button here...
"regardless of the sense that other person is making."
AS ALWAYS, the great and powerful Sheldon takes things OUT OF CONTEXT. Pathetic excuse for a human.
"AS ALWAYS, the great and powerful Sheldon....Pathetic excuse for a human."
Now FYI, that is an ad hominem fallacy, and nothing was out of context, you're just sulking again.
Sheldon: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ..... I just wet my pants.
@ Cognostic
Do like me and wear Depends before reading the posts here. I have wet myself twice laughing so hard I actually do put on a pair before reading the posts. Thrice have those Depends saved me from cleaning up a mess. Literally.
rmfr
shiningone "'I've never met a more narrow minded bunch of bigots"
shiningone "When backed into corners they resort to petty insults"
And on and on the irony goes...
Ahhhh, yes. Here we go. I think this sums up the OP quite nicely... (lol)
https://youtu.be/zcUs5X9glCc
@ TM
TWO good laughs before 8am...lovely. Thanks guys!
As always, the SAME people respond. I will say I'll be looking in from time to time and responding to the FEW individuals in here that have been honest with me AND themselves. I will not, however be posting any more topics for hypocritical sycophants to use to praise each other with. Dishonesty can be disguised in many subtle ways and anonymity acts as a tremendous source of encouragement for that.
It is often said, the loudest voice in the room is the person with the least amount to say. I am aware of my faults and my strengths, I don't need recognition from others to evaluate them. My arguments speak for themselves, when taken in their entirety. Taking one part of them on it's own does not negate the whole. I'll leave judgment on that with the silent majority.
Wisdom is gained from becoming aware of the things you don't know, more than with the things you think you know.
Practice what you preach. You are not humble at all. Know yourself before you cast judgment on others.
@ Shiningone
Obviously not.
@Shiningone Re: "I will say I'll be looking in from time to time and responding to the FEW individuals..."
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" I am aware of my faults and my strengths, I don't need recognition from others to evaluate them. "
I disagree with both those claims.
" My arguments speak for themselves, when taken in their entirety. "
Hallelujah, something we can agree on. Though I suspect for very different reasons.
"Wisdom is gained from becoming aware of the things you don't know,"
Then limitless wisdom must await you, and I urge you to start as soon as possible. Bon voyage...
When did you think you were making sense? (You do understand what FACTS and EVIDENCE are don't you?) You should probably look them up prior to your next post.
Um... You just might want to check out the word "Wisdom" as well. It always helps to clearly know what you are talking about prior to asserting everyone is lacking it. My guess is that whatever you are calling "Wisdom" is something I can quite simply do without.
Hello Shiningone,
It is very sad that you're taking it that way. As for me, i think you may be doing some projection here.
@Shiningone ..
I really think It's an individual case maybe the thing that untied the atheists is the materialist tendency against the god or any kind of metaphysical thing !! .. For me I agree with slavoj zizek when he said " Life itself it's an ideology " ..
@ shiningone
One question: How long after joining did you make your first post?
I spent at least three weeks doing nothing more than lurking so I could learn how the others posted. How they offered arguments. Et al.
The one thing that really got me posting was a thread where we could tell our story of how we became atheist. And I really opened up and told my whole story of always being an atheist and the struggles I went through dealing with the deaths of my wife and twin daughters and the four month old fetus that was never born. Guess what everyone else did here? They welcomed me with such open arms it was as if I finally found my long lost true family.
To be honest, I do not even remember your first post. I may not have even responded. So many posts go through here it is virtually impossible to keep up with them all. I have enjoyed many of your posts. I have also disagreed with some. Usually, I have to really disagree with a post to actually click the "Disagree" button and post why I disagree.
Cannot speak for others, but NEVER click the "Disagree" button unless I am also willing to post why I disagree. Mostly it is the theists who go around clicking the "Disagree" and being too cowardly to post why.
I am starting on a rant. Let me shut up and leave what I've already said.
rmfr
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