Should states continue to allow citizens to refuse vaccinations based on personal beliefs and religious beliefs? I don't. Herd immunity should not be subject to which form of pretending to know gawwd you subscribe to. Freedom of religion and personal liberties do not allow you room to negatively impact the lives of others.
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Absolutely, completely, totally agree! The only reason anyone should not have to get a vaccination of this type is if there are medical contraindications.
Didn't there used to be laws that you had to have vaccinations to attend public school? I vaguely recall me having to get boosters and provide records to the school...
as i understand it, there is some religious exemption or something. So the nutters can refuse to vaccinate their kids, messing up herd immunity: exposing their kids and the weakest members of society to risk.
That is like allowing a religious exemption from feeding your kids, dangerous, stupid, and likely to cause the death of countless children through religious stupidity.
Completely agree. The idiots that don't vaccinate because of 'feelings' are putting us all at risk.
These freeloaders rely on the assumption that most responsible parents will have their children vaccinated, so if a few idiots don't, then no biggie - their kids likely won't be exposed to diseases we thought we conquered in the 1850s.
My take is: If you don't want to vaccinate your kid because "freedom," then fine... You have that right. But guess what: If you want to send an un-vaccinated child to public school, then society has a right to put all those kids together, away from the children of responsible parents.
I suspect that if parents of un-vaccinated kids suddenly were forced put their brats with all the other kids who didn't get vaccinated, then attitudes would change so fast vertebrae would audibly snap.
"These freeloaders rely on the assumption that most responsible parents will have their children vaccinated"
I got the impression that they don't think vaccines work, or that they are bad for you, or something like that. But who is to say what happens in the mind of a nutter.
And they you find some religious individual that would claim something stupid like:
Why do you talk about religion so much if you do not believe?
It does not hard, it gives people comfort.
If does hard and it does effect sane people.
harm*
Absolutely not. I strongly believe that parents who have the opportunity to have their child vaccinated and refuse should be charged with child neglect when and if their child gets that disease. I hate getting shots too, but I have a responsibility to myself, to the patients in my care facility, and to the general public not to spread the flu around, so I get a flu shot every year. Just because the reason they don't like it is a different reason than why I don't like it doesn't make theirs any more valid. I would get fired if I don't get an annual flu shot by the deadline. They should face similar consequences for allowing their children to get diseases and spread them around to the immunocompromised children who have been vaccinated.
Actually, religion is not the most common reason for people (at least in the U.S.) to be anti-vaxers.
A team of researchers led by Saad Omer, a professor of public health at Emory University, found that opt-out rates in states that allow personal-belief exemptions are 2.5 times as high as rates in states that only permit religious exemptions.
Some of the most common non-religious reasons people use for not vaccinating include:
1. Vaccines cause autism
2. Some of these diseases have been eradicated so there is no need
3. The ingredients used as preservatives in them are dangerous
4. The vaccines themselves cause the illnesses they are supposed to prevent
5. Vaccines overwhelm a young child's immune system
6. The diseases are not that dangerous
All of these reasons are complete bupkus.
i agree that:
1. the vaccines don't cause autism (so silly)
2. the diseases stay eradicated because children keep getting vaccinated for them
3. i assume they're referring to the mercury/thimerosol "controversy" that has been proven false
4. from the little i know of vaccines, the live vaccines are supposed to give you a very weakened form of the illness
5. an immune system -- even a child's -- is strong enough to handle vaccines
6. this one is so stupid, i can't even protest logically.
I think there should be more studies about vaccinations to avoid such issues.
No amount of studies will convince the credulous.
A person shouldn't die just because their parents think it's against god. Humans have rights ideas don't. They are a couple of things that religious people ignore like tattoos,swearing,mix fabric,pooping, stoning others to death etc. So why not ignore vaccinations? By the way I don't get why religion is against vaccinations I've never seen it anywhere where it states it against vaccinations.
I'm not exactly sure how closely tied the anti-vaccination movement is, to the mainstream religions.
If you'd like to peer into the mind of a moron:
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/2/13/abortion-foes-have-moral...
I wasn't sure I wanted to look. Now that I have, I'm sorry I did. Sometimes I hate people.
I'm a physician and deal with anti-vaxxer's fairly frequently. Rarely do they cite religious belief as a reason to deny vaccines. Maddeningly (is that even a word?) it is usually the autism thing, which of course has been totally debunked. Fear of some nefarious governmental conspiracy is the second most common reason followed by various other paranoid reasons (it is too much for their little . I used to try to reason with them, but eventually realized that I was wasting my time talking to a brick wall and now I give them a line or two and then stop trying. I simply don't have the energy. Fortunately I take care of a mostly lower socioeconomic group who rarely (if ever) refuse vaccines. It is almost always highly educated, higher income people who refuse. I wish I could understand why that is.....My state (Colorado) is on the higher end of the SES spectrum and is #50 in the US for vaccination rates....Mississippi is in the bottom 2 or 3 in SES and in the top 2-3 in vaccination rates....Go figure.
Interesting to hear it right from the horse's mouth so to say. Thanks for the info!
It's terribly sad that it is the 'highly educated, higher income' people who are the anti-vaxer chumps. Guess it indicates that credentials and money do not equal being smart or reasonable.
Well I think it's not related with your belief and I think one should allow to do vaccination regardless of their believe or their region's believe as it's most important for child and health standard.
I am one of the vulnerable part of society and the anti-vacxers scare the life out of me. I was vaccinated as a child and have never had the measles so I have no idea if I am at risk from the anti-vaxers. I do know that the measles are spreading and it is clearly the fault of the anti-vaxers regardless of their reasons, be it religious or the misleading information from a quack who has since lost his license. I currently reside in an assisted living facility both because of my disabilities and to keep myself out of the general public. Is this what we are reduced to? To hide from society to keep us from getting sick?
Vaccines have save a lot or children from dying so I think the discovery of vaccines have been at our side. Although there are possibilities that these vaccines ca be used against us that is why doctors should have careful studies on these vaccines first before allowing them in the medicine industry.
I find this forum to be very interesting. Here is a website for people who are seeking freedom of thought and freedom of choice, yet there is a staunch condemnation of people who have exercised that freedom. I think it might be more important to understand why people have chosen not to vaccinate rather than condemn them outright without investigating the reasons they chose not to. Except for one person who posted here, I don't think anyone else is a physician or a someone with intimate knowledge of vaccines. I am not saying I am against vaccines, all I am saying is, I think more time needs to be taken to research and investigate the facts surrounding while people choose to have them or not before rushing to a summary judgement of 'anti-vaxxers'.
I see your "'anti-vaxxers" and raise you a "vax-tard".
The process of development alone takes years, then come the phases and long-term animal testing, once that is done it has to be approved for human trials(which takes a lot of time). Once the human trials start, they administer it to small groups of people considered "high-risk" of contracting it(which in most cases is MEDICAL personnel), and only after a long-term analysis of the results does it progress to larger groups, and even more study is done before large-scale vaccination begins. However, it doesn't end there, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a national vaccine safety surveillance program (co-sponsored by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the CDC) that collects and analyzes information from reports of adverse events (side effects) that occur after the administration of US licensed vaccines. Reports are welcome from all concerned individuals: patients, parents, healthcare providers, pharmacists, and vaccine manufacturers.
The jury is in, the facts are already known, making 'anti-vaxxers' no more lucid or legitimate than the guy down the street ranting about reptilians and grays anally probing him.
Vaccines have been used for decades. They have been studied probably more than any other "substance" that is used in medicine. There are literally thousands of studies demonstrating again and again that they are as safe and effective as anything in medicine. They are certainly safer and more effective than any antibiotic that (in my experience) antivax parents demand the first time their kid has a stuffy nose. I have seen hundreds of adverse effects of antibiotics, but can count on one hand the number of adverse vaccine reactions that I have seen and most of those were skin infections related to the needle and not the vaccine itself. Vaccines certainly aren't 100% effective....no credible source ever says that. That is precisely why it is so important that as many people as possible are vaccinated. The more vaccinated people that surround a individual who, for what ever reason doesn't have immunity to a particular pathogen, the safer that person will be.
Your comment about your ex-husband and migraines does not prove causation at all. It is one person who happened to develop migraines in temporal relation to receiving a vaccine. There is no proof what-so-ever that one is related to the other. While you say that you aren't anti vaccine, it is clear that you have a bias against them. I challenge you to acknowledge that bias, put it aside and read mainstream literature (JAMA, New England Journal, Lancet, American Academy of Pediatrics, American Academy of Family Physicians, Annals of Internal Medicine, among others) and see what the VAST majority of the medical community knows about vaccines.
You used reason and science to throw off or fend off belief in gods, I urge you to use the same good judgement in relation to vaccines.
You need to post more often hermitdoc!!!
Thanks....but unfortunately that is all the game I have. If I post more you all will see what a doofus I really am.
Abraham Lincoln said it best...."It is far better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".
You all are certainly much brighter than me. I have learned so much from the articulate, insightful posts here. I'm glad I found this site.
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