Mark 6,1-3
And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us?
Mark 3,31-35
There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him. And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
Mark 6,3
And they were offended at him.
Mark 3,30
Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
Mark1,35
And in the morning, rising up a great while before day, he went out, and departed into a solitary place, and there prayed.
Verses 36-39 are an interpolation.
Mark 1,40-42
And there came a leper to him, beseeching him, and kneeling down to him, and saying unto him, If thou wilt, thou canst make me clean. And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean. And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed.
The crucifixion scene is not as it was in the original text.
There was NO Simon Peter (St Peter) in the original text.
Mark 1,16
Now as he walked by the sea of Galilee,
Mark 1,19-20
... he saw James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, who also were in the ship mending their nets. And straightway he called them: and they left their father Zebedee in the ship with the hired servants, and went after him.
The mother-in-law he healed in Mark 1,29-31 was his OWN mother-in-law (in the original text)
It wasn't Jesus on the cross ... but the Jews are depicted as believing it was.
The original text was the script of a play ... meant to be performed before a sophisticated audience.
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Authors who wrote around the time this text was composed used mathematically-based techniques to protect their works. The original text of Mark was written using blocks of text containing 51 words. Four such blocks had 1000 letters. This FACT allows one to determine what in the text (of Mark) that we have today is authentic and what is interpolation and added text.
This is NOT "numerology" ... its a SIMPLE, easy to use way of protecting ones work.
In the original story Jesus was depicted as being a King of the Jews who was NOT a believer in the contemporary Jewish religion ...a Hellenist.
Hello, my name is JimM new to this forum, and I hope to add some clarity.
First, the Holy Spirit is the Teacher, and He must be the One to lead us and guide into all truth, friend. If you ever learn anything through a Bible study program, it will only be because the the Spirit of God is opening up the Word of God to you.
This then, is the first guideline: begin with prayer and ask the Spirit of God to be your Teacher.
Renan, the French skeptic, made an attack on the Word of God, as you may know; yet he wrote a 'Life of Christ'. His book was divided into two sections; one is rhe historical section, the other is the interpretation of the life of Christ. As far as the first part is concerned, there probably hass never been a more brilliant life of Christ written by any man. But hjis interpretation of is positively absurd. It could have been done better by a 12-year old Sunday school boy. What is the explanation of that? Well, the Spirit of God does not teach you history or give you facts that you can dig out for yourself; a very clever mind can dig out those. But the interpretation is altogether different. The Spirit of God has to do the interpreting, and He alone must be the Teacher to lead us and guide us into all truth. We must have the Spirit of God to open our eyes to see.
My prayer is that anyone who reads this post, and reads the Gospel of Mark or any of the Scriptures - will do so with open eyes, and more importantly an open heart to know and understand that God is.
So don't be wary in well doing, friend; just read the Word of God. If you don't get it the first time, read it a second time. If you don't get it the second time, read it a third time. Keep on reading it. We are to get the facts of the Word of God.
There is a very interesting incident over in the book of Nehemiah:
And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that was before the water gate; and they spoke unto Ezra, the scribe, to bring the law of Moses, which the Lord had commended to Israel. And Ezra, the priest, brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all could hear with understanding, upon the first day of the seventh month.
And he read from it facing the street that was before water gate from the morning until midday, before the men and the women, and those who could understand; and the ears of all the people were attentive unto the book of the law. Nehemiah 8:1-3 NSRB
This is a very remarkable passage of Scripture. You see, these people had been in Babylonian captivity 70 years; many of them had never heard the Word of God. It did not circulate much in that day. There were not 100 different translations abroad or new ones coming off the press all the time. Probably there were just one or two copies in existence, and Ezra had one of those copies, He stood and read before the water gate,
So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused thenm to understand the reading. Nehemiah 8:8 NSRB. From the way the account is given, I assume that men of tribe of Levi were stationed in critical areas among the people. After Ezra had read a certain portion, he would stop to give the people who had listened an opportunity to ask questions of the men who were stationed out there to explain the Bible to them.
.....And the Levites caused the people to understand the law; and the people stood in their place. Nehemiah 8:7 NSRB
Not only did they read the Word, but they caused the people understand it. We need to read the Bible.
The text writing technique you mentioned was common in the Old Testament period, prior to the printing press; Masoretic text.
www.compellingtruth.org/Masoretic-Text.html
The writer of the book of Mark in the New Testament was named John Mark - John was his Jewish name, while Mark was his Latin surname (Acts 12:12) This is the first historical reference to him in Scripture. His mother was a wealthy and prominent Christian in the Jerusalem church. He was a nephew of Barnabas (Collosians 4:10). He evidently was the spriritual son of Simon Peter (1 Peter 5:13). The Gospel (Good News) of Mark has long been considered Peter's Gospel, as Mark evidently got much of the material in the Gospel record from him. In view of the facr that Simon Peter brought him to a saving knowledge of Christ, it is natural to suppose that he had great influence in Mark's life.
Mark joined Paul and Barnabas before the first missionary journey (Acts 13:5), but he turned back at Pergia in Pamphylia (Acts 13:13). There is neither need to defend John Mark for turning back nor to explain nor excuse his conduct.
Hi, Jim,
Which denomination are you with? I used to be Nazarene.
Hi MB, I used to be Roman Catholic from birth, then non-denominational evangelical Christian, and now Assemblies of God. What made you vacate the Nazarene denomination?
Hi, Jim. wow. That's quite a spread, from The Pope to speaking in tongues.
Why did I vacate Nazarene (and became atheist). I didn't need the bullshit, anymore.
@ JimM
Someone has been studying a lot of apologists....and regurgitating it here.
Umm to your paragraphs in order...NO, nope, nope, hahahahah, nope and FFS what?
If you are going to bring fantasy and third hand false extrapolation to the table at least give us references....
Hi Old Man; anyone can spout 'no' to an argument od position. I could take your approach...as a contrary answer; 'no - you are wrong!
Does this bring us any closer to understanding? Please explain why you believe I'm incorrect in the facts about the apostle Mark.
Second question; how do you propose to invalidate these truths?
Next, how do you know this is fantasy or third hand extrapolation? What proofs can be offered?
@ JimM
"The writer of the book of Mark in the New Testament was named John Mark"
Really? That's just a tradition based on no evidence at all apart from a very cryptic and vague reference by Papias of Hierapolis writing some 60 to 100 years after the supposed events and by received wisdom (hearsay) . Most scholars are content to identify the author of Mark's gospel as an unknown first-century Christian.
The other synoptic gospels are all based on Mark and repeat the obvious errors therein.
Your assertion, like much of the rest of your preaching is in error of fact and translation. I have concentrated on your assertion in the last paragraphs as the first paragraphs you wrote seem to depend on it for their veracity.
So if you have any evidence for your assertion of the authorship of the first of the synoptic gospels by a credible body of scholars please enlighten me.
Hello JimM.
I fear you are preaching to the wrong crowd. Some of us, especially myself, believe the bible is a completely screwed up work of fiction and has less value than toilet paper.
Hello David, thanks for the reply and your beliefs. I believe in the one true almighty God, his one and only son Jesus (the Word of God made flesh) who died for all the sins of mankind and rose from the dead, and the Holy Spirit are three in One. I do also believe the Bible is a book (printed form) and is 'the Book', as in - the inspired and infallible word of God.
For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires. Hebrews 4:12
Looks like these innermost thoughts and desires you and I have about Scripture; though polar opposites - are exposed, so the Word is truth after all. Thanks!
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Oh, JimM, I gotta laugh. You have no idea who you're dealing with. lololol best of luck!
@MB Re: "You have no idea who you're dealing with."
...*getting comfy on couch*... *grabbing handful of popcorn*.... Thought about responding to Jim myself, but then he made that comment to David. Watching will now be more entertaining.... *handing bowl to MB*.... Here, grab a handful and get comfy. This should be fun....*calling to Old Man*.... Hey, you ol' coot! Bring the Choc Bombs! And tell Arakish to get some drinks!.... *looking around*... Hey, anybody seen Cog?...
@ TM
*Handing out choco bombs (English toffee flavor)* Hey! Haven't I seen this before? This is just a re run of "Arse Handed on a Platter" isn't it?
@Old Man Re: "This is just a re run of "Arse Handed on a Platter" isn't it?"
...*munching on Choco Bomb*.... Mmmm.... delicioius. English toffee is my favorite.... *licking fingers*.... Oh, but, uh, no this isn't a re-run, exactly. It is just a re-MAKE. Same characters but played by different actors. You know the drill. There really are no original ideas in programming anymore..... *passing bowl*... Here, have some popcorn. Where is Arakish with those drinks?...
Did you guys just putting your fingers in the bowls after licking them? Ugh! I'm getting my own snacks, and you're not getting any.
@MB Re: "Did you guys just putting your fingers in the bowls after licking them? Ugh! I'm getting my own snacks, and you're not getting any."
What's the big deal? I washed my hands at least once day before yesterday. Gee, somebody is certainly squeamish.... *grabbing another handful of popcorn*....
Slaps Tiny's hand away from her bowl of Reese's Pieces
Yeah, try that again, moron, and I'll get the hose on you. bwahahahahahaha
A JimM
So what? I still believe the bible is crap.
Fiction is just that, imaginary. I do not practice spells from any Harry Potter book, for the same reason.
JimM
What evidence do you have that your God is real?
Seniorcitizen007
Why are you quoting bible verses?
Please Stop! @ "The original text of Mark"
THERE IS NO ORIGINAL TEXT OF MARK. How many times will Bart Ehrman, or Richard Carrier have to tell you that. We have no idea at all whether the text we have today is authentic. NONE.
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Who cares. This is a work of fiction.
We may as well debate the sex life of Superman.
There was on the Isle of Naxos in the Aegean a community of playwrights and actors ... in 71 ad the Emperor Vespasian sent people there to investigate one of the playwrights. Some "eccentric" scholars of the New Testament claim that Vespasian was in some way involved in the founding of Christianity.
Does Superman have to wear some kind of kryptonite condom when he has sex with Lois Lane?
David
Kryptonite condom would make superman Wanger limp.
@Xenoview Re: Kryptonite condom
Thank you! Somebody FINALLY pointed that out. I was wondering how long it would take. LMAO
But wouldn't it glow green in the dark? That would be sort of cool for the ladies. Or would it put them off?
Ewww, what's that, some kind of super-infection?
This sounds like a fun debate! In the comics and movies, it is shown Superman has fine control over his physical strength, but does superman maintain that fine control in orgasm/ejaculation? Does superman even know? When he was a raging hormonal teenager and masturbated to a sock did he learn to control his orgasm and ejaculation to the point he did not put holes in his sock and/or roof above his bed? Obviously the movies and comics do not delve into superman's teenage masturbation sessions as well that is just crude. Is superman even masturbate? He obviously has interest in women, but does he have an interest in sex or reproducing? Is he capable of orgasm and ejaculation?
Superman's strength and power varies based on author, but superman's strength comes from a mostly unexplained "from the sun" and from earth's lower gravity.
If superman has not mastered the ability of fine motor/strength control while orgasming/ejaculating, I would imagine his only hope is kryptonite to lower his super strength to the point that ejaculation would not kill Lois Lane.
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I do get that you were probably not really looking to debate on this, and the point you were likely trying to make is: debating fiction (like the story of superman -- a comparable to various god stories -- ) is really not very useful and arguably a waste of time. Unless you are like me and like to debate about almost anything. I too frequently use superman story as a way to highlight various major issues with god concepts.
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And in the throes of an orgasm, would he not squeeze Lois Lane like a plastic toothpaste container?
I suspect that if he did masturbate, his hand action would create a plasma from the heat, probably melting everything within a hundred meters.
These are the things that concern me.
LOLOLOL
What it is with men? Everything is sex, sex, sex. sex, sex, sex, sex..
Superman NEVER had sex with what'sherface. Superman, being a super man, caused Lois to forget her love with him in one fantastic kiss, because Superman had compassion for the poor girl.
How dare you muss it up with all your blue pill sickness. Have a little respect. Don't say nuttin' bad about Superman and Lois.
Harumph... (nose up, turns 180 and marches off)
You cads!
@MB Re: "Superman NEVER had sex with what'sherface."
Uh, hate to be the one to burst that bubble, but Superman DID have sex with our darling Lois. In Superman 2 he gave up his powers to be with Lois, and they bumped uglies a couple of times before he got his powers back. I don't know who What's-her-face is, though, so I don't know if he had sex with her or not. *chuckle*
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