Since the eternal blissful afterlife of no more suffering does not exist, then let us try to create an eternal blissful life through science in the future and resurrect suffering people such as me who have mostly missed out on life. I have every reason to think that this is possible. You are free to object to it. Therefore, post all your objections and we can then begin a discussion/debate on this. It is called:
"Project Eternal Bliss"
It is where scientists all around the world work on the ultimate science project to create an eternal blissful life and to resurrect people to live it. If I were a scientist, then this would be my life's work. Other people might deem me crazy for working on what seems to be an absolutely absurd project.
However, I am not a scientist. I am a composer and composing is the dream that I have chosen to pursue. So this whole thing is just an idea of my own that we can discuss/debate here.
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There is evidence to suggest species are disappearing at a rate faster than the last great extinction as a result of human activity. Why would you want to create a world populated with the most destructive animal ever to walk on the surface of the planet?
If evolution has taught us one thing it is that all species will end with extinction. No species has ever escaped this and none ever will. This is a disinterested scientific position. The idea that humans should live for ever is nothing but a cast-off religious belief, one I do not buy into.
WD
Well, scientists are working on it. We live longer and better than we ever did, and each generation lives longer than the one before. Now, if only we can persuade the religious fanatics to stop shooting/beheading/amputating/jihading etc etc, maybe we'll reap the benefits. Then that's the idiot in Rome telling everyone to keep on breeding...we just need more people, no?
We see the world through such narrow minds.
No one is working to defeat evolution or evade extinction. We live longer, true but just take a look around you, the devastation we have caused to this planet and the organisms that we share it with.
We are raping this planet of its resources. We force members of our own species to live in abject poverty so we can be 'better off', we have abused technology to the point we have filled our atmosphere full of carbon, permanently changed the eco-system of the oceans, invented bombs that can kill thousands of humans and animals, forced the evolution of antibiotic resistant bacteria and much, much worse.
We simply cannot be trusted with a planet and to suggest perpetuating the conditions optimal for our survival is nothing short of irrational. You are so adamant that science and technology is your salvation you are missing the one scientific fact that underpins all of this, we will become extinct, this is a fact. There is no empirical, universal scale you can point to that indicates modern life is 'better'. This is not only unscientific it is a belief born of faith in a technology you believe will lead you to your salvation.
Your religion is science, your crusade is the perpetuation of the species, your god is technology. You are no less irrational than those who worship a god, in fact you don't even recognise your own folly.
The fanatics are not the ones holding crosses.
WD
You've just become my buddy, in my head.
I think you're a bit negative, tbh. As I said, science is improving the lot of people, we just need more of it. Fusion power, clean energy etc etc. What we're missing is political will, actually. Plus getting the religionists out of there.
I'm glad you think I'm irrational, I'm not often called that. I'd hate to contemplate your version of rationality.
Of course you would hate to contemplate my 'version of rationality' because it is not anthropocentric, my view is a factual, disinterested worldview stripped of religious cast-off values, it has no emotional resonance, but it's not supposed to have any.
Science itself is not and never can be the disinterested pursuit of 'truth', because the technology and knowledge we gain from it is bent to serve our will, and I am not saying there is anything wrong with that. The problem with science is how we use the philosophical construct, it has become the primary authority in our lives, it guides our legal systems, it underpins our social systems, it provides hope for the future and rules to live by in order to realise that hope.
The language we couch our modern day view of science is clear we are still a child-like species looking for a parent to guide us and tell us everything will be ok. Science has become the new moral, judicial and social authority, it has become the new religion. 'Religionists' still abound, just because they have exchanged one god for another does not make them 'rational'.
I may not be completely right but I am challenging the paradigm and that is worth more to me than any material gain. Today I am playing the role of the heretic, but I understand that role and I accept it because, for now, that's how it must be.
WD
I thought I'd just add this: I'm the most rational person you're ever likely to find. I have a degree in maths and worked as a financial executive, and was successful enough to accumulate a pile of cash so I could retire early. If I look back at the business decisions I made, they're entirely rational and worked well for the companies I was employed by. If I choose to make a purchase it's carefully researched and entirely rational. Etc, etc.
Just so you know.
The instinct to garner more resources for yourself is what drove you to develop the skills you developed. It's no more rational than a lion dragging a zebra out of the view of the other lions.
An eternal blissful life isn't possible, as EVERYTHING eventually "dies", and bliss is a temporary state or condition of the mind. Resurrection, likewise, is impossible because nothing of "you" persists after death besides your body. Your knowledge, memories, personality, and identity would simply no longer exist. We might be able to create a reasonable facsimile using artificial intelligence, but it still wouldn't be YOU.
Enjoy.
WilfDisney:
" the devastation we have caused to this planet and the organisms that we share it with."
Completely agree we are like a virus on this planet
"We simply cannot be trusted with a planet "
True, we are destructive, immature and naive by nature and trusting a planet in our care without supervision is like giving a gun to a baby.
"we will become extinct"
WOW hold your horses there.
The baby did somehow survive with the gun to this day no matter the odds.
Do you realize that we humans have a quality better then most species, we can adapt and even move from this planet in case of a catastrophic event.
No matter how destructive we are, we have better chances then any other species(we know of) on this planet to survive.
The fact that we are a virus does not mean we will go extinct.
If you wish to insist on the claim about extinction, how about you provide evidence for it?