Judas Escariote

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Judas Escariote

Did Judas Escariote once a real person? How come that he was able to betray a good friend? Did he really commit suicide?

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SammyShazaam's picture
I've read the Gospel of Judas

I've read the Gospel of Judas a few times, but I really didn't know as much of the backstory on it as I should have. This is an interesting read :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas

However, I really have never seen anything that puts facts behind the life or death of Judas. He was not a very well documented man, or at least it would seem so at this point. Maybe everyone was too busy worrying about Jesus and proving he existed to see if any of the peripheral pieces of the story added up at all.

mysticrose's picture
We're not sure if any of the

We're not sure if any of the gospel available for us to read is actually written by Jesus' apostles. The gospel of Judas was written by Gnostic followers of Jesus and they have no personal experience with Jesus too just like other writes in the bible.
Anyway, if the bible is just a novel, I found the character of Judas quite interesting.

SammyShazaam's picture
Me too. I always wondered

Me too. I always wondered what they were threatening him with that would make him turn his back on a friend. Of course they offer money, but just like the mob, you'd better take that offer! They don't simply take back their money if you refuse, you know... Imagine how different history might have been if it were Judas, not Jesus, who ended up on that cross.

The Profit Ezekiel's picture
Another piece of the NT that

Another piece of the NT that was written to fulfill a prophecy from the OT?

Zechariah 11:13 (NET)
11:13 The Lord then said to me, “Throw to the potter that exorbitant sum at which they valued me!” So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them to the potter at the temple of the Lord.

SammyShazaam's picture
Ooh, nice detective skills! I

Ooh, nice detective skills! I'm going to reread Zechariah when I get a chance, I missed that one. In my defense, it's been a while... but no excuse for getting rusty.

A lot of the biblical stories are told twice if you notice. It's especially clear in the book of Genesis, where it's just so disjointed where it stops and repeats itself. The theory is that there were different versions combined to make one book, and no one could agree on the phraseology when they were putting it together.

mysticrose's picture
I don't think it has

I don't think it has relevance to the new testament story about Judas. Maybe some old testament stories were also revised and edited in order to coincide with new testament or vice versa.

ginamoon's picture
Words or stories in the Bible

Words or stories in the Bible might not give us direct messages as I think that characters could represent life's lessons. There are real "Judas" in this world, those close friends or even relatives that betray on another.
Hard to say that the original content of the Bible is retained since lots have translated it and it was passed on.

mysticrose's picture
There are indeed a lot of

There are indeed a lot of people who can portray Judas' attitude. There are lot of thieves, greedy people and traitors, but sadly, some of them exist within the different religious organizations.

mattyn's picture
Why isn't there much

Why isn't there much documentation about Judas? Perhaps there was at one time, but because of what surrounds his life, it may have been deleted just like everything else that doesn't agree with the Christian doctrine.

Zaphod's picture
I think Judas was just unlike

I think Judas was just unliked and many people blamed him for the betrayal of Jesus leading to his crucifixion. Though I actually think Judas was actually following orders from Jesus when he did this so called betrayal it seems he was set up to be the betrayer for the prophesy. I think he still could not live with it and this led him to throw the money back at the people who paid him and ultimately kill himself. I think because he was least favored he was less documented and because he killed himself there was less to document these two things combine to make little documentation on Judas. Though your probably right due to his circumstances perhaps documentation was how can I say it, lost or misplaced on purpose.

mickron88's picture
he was framed by jesus...he

he was framed by jesus...he wants judas to take all the blame, so he had no choice...it was all planned by jesus...cunning bastard jesus betrayed his disciple..

judas really do not want the job...well its just a story anyway...lame story if you'd ask me...

Cognostic's picture
I don't know what books you

I don't know what books you have been reading but you have your facts all wrong. The Gospel of Judas clearly states that Judas was the only disciple who actually understood Jesus. That's why Jesus chose him as an assistant. (Do you really think Jesus, a god, would allow himself to be surprised by the betrayal of a loyal disciple?) Don't be silly. Jesus recruited Judas to help him. Judas was the favorite disciple, and most loved by Jesus. That's why he helped Jesus with his martyrdom.

FYI: The gospel of Judas was written no later than any of the other Gospels. It was simply omitted from the cannon by vote. Just like the other 70 books that are not included in the bible today. (But the bible is God's word! Bullshit!)

mickron88's picture
i still think its bull shit

i still think its bull shit cog.....

nope i'm not buying it...i don't care what book it is...its all dip shit..

Cognostic's picture
I've obviously been owned!

I've obviously been owned! But if it was true and if the bible was real, and if Judas actually existed, and if he ever talked to Jesus, and if Jesus was really arrested, don't you think the book of Judas would be as true as all the other gospels?

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Cog

@ Cog

Judas is mentioned in the Gospel of Thomas as in the Nag Hammadi gnostic gospels as Jesus' best friend. From that early textual mention 2nd Century authors probably based their "gospel" (*which is actually an account of verbal exchanges ) .
Understand that every "gospel' up until the mid 3rd century (* when they combined the gospels and started to flesh out the stories) was in the authors minds the "only" gospel, the one true account of Jesus' life and death. Matthew and Luke were entirely based on Mark, but intended for different audiences, Luke for the Hellenistic Greeks and Matthew (sans the first two chapters) for the Messaniac Jewish "Christians". It wasn't an intentional dichotomy from a copy of a "true story" it was purely where the scribes lived that influenced the style and the story line to appeal to the local audience.
The gospel of Judas ( also called the Repentance ) was a Gnostic gospel i.e one that rejected the claim that Jesus was born divine, but rather lived and died as a good man who obeyed the laws and was elevated by god after his suffering and death. This differs slightly from the Jewish "Adoptionist" position who maintained that Jesus was an ordinary man but adopted as a son by god because of his adherence to the "Law" (Torah)and went straight to heaven after his physical resurrection. Both Gnostic and Adoptionist positions negate the need to invent such an untenable theological position as the "Trinity". Hemce they were prosecuted and destroyed along with all their works when the Pauline church gained ascendancy.

*The Gospel of Judas is a Gnostic gospel whose content consists of conversations between Jesus and Judas Iscariot. It is thought to have been composed in the second century by Gnostic Christians, not by the antagonist Judas, since it contains late-2nd-century theologyWiki

(Edit: Excuse the lack of citation and detail, its 5am and I have a cat demanding attention, so my memory will have to do. Ask if you really want sources)

(Added) As the cat decided to bugger off on feline business after inhaling down a quantity of raw meat...I chanced upon an article condemning the treatment and translation of the Gospel of Judas by National Geographic...this para caught my eye and I immediately thought Diotrephes would love this....from the New York Times" So what does the Gospel of Judas really say? It says that Judas is a specific demon called the "Thirteenth." In certain Gnostic traditions, this is the given name of the king of demons - an entity known as Ialdabaoth who lives in the 13th realm above the earth. Judas is his human alter ego, his undercover agent in the world. These Gnostics equated Ialdabaoth with the Hebrew Yahweh, whom they saw as a jealous and wrathful deity and an opponent of the supreme God whom Jesus came to earth to reveal.

Whoever wrote the Gospel of Judas was a harsh critic of mainstream Christianity and its rituals. Because Judas is a demon working for Ialdabaoth, the author believed, when Judas sacrifices Jesus he does so to the demons, not to the supreme God. This mocks mainstream Christians' belief in the atoning value of Jesus' death and in the effectiveness of the Eucharist.

How could these serious mistakes have been made? Were they genuine errors or was something more deliberate going on? This is the question of the hour, and I do not have a satisfactory answer.

I am so intrigued now I wil have to go back to the original and read for myself...bugger it Cog...why do you have to be so interesting at this hour?

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