It's good economics, the'd be giving away free drugs if they paid for the drugs they produce, so their employees can utilize them. Also, they're shitty, hypocritical, people.

The modern Christian fundamentalist is a real danger to a peaceful society. This is going to dredge up the old religious hatreds. Baptist think that the Pope is the anti-Christ. So, now, in addition to what you pointed out, we are going to have Christian sects denying services to others. I can see a future employment listing reading: no Catholics, Jews, blacks, or women need to apply.

This is more about politics than their religion. They don't have a problem buying from China. A country that oppresses religious freedoms. They can't say that the a one child policy doesn't violate their religious beliefs, but they still buy from China. I can't confirm, but I read somewhere that previously Hobby Lobby's health care covered the same items that were mandated by law. If true, just more proof of hypocrisy and a desire for politic power.

This is a far more dense issue, with many more questions at stake than may appear on the surface.

I'll start by saying I do not, and never will shop at hobby lobby, nor will I ever shop at a number of other businesses because I vehemently disagree with their tenets. That being said, I'm not convinced there should be legislation to force them to contradict those tenets. Hobby lobby is closed on Sundays for religious reasons. Should that also be challenged?

Hobby lobby is not a publicly traded company. It was started by and still fully owned by people who hold certain beliefs. Employees enter into what could be described as a contract, to work for those people at that business in exchange for a paycheck. Once working there, I'm not convinced that the employees have a right to dictate everything the company does. This may be one of those things. I'm just not convinced it isn't.

It is something I'm spending time thinking about because I hold our U.S. constitutionally protected rights so dearly. We have freedom of and from religion and this case is one of those that challenges this from so many perspectives. It's a big deal.

There are a ton of folks who support hobby lobby and a ton who don't. Is it better for the general public to force, via legislation, owners to behave according to their will, or make their statements by spending their money there or elsewhere?

I absolutely think there should be laws protecting workers for certain things. Safe working conditions, etc.

The whole saving $ thing that Lmale brings up, tho, doesn't completely wash. From a health insurance perspective, and from a staffing perspective, it costs insurance companies and businesses a whole heck of a lot more to support pregnancy, delivery, and medical child care that paying for birth control pills.

I am employed by a company that does thing with which I sometimes do not agree. It is their right to do these things. As an employee, is it my *right* to force them to change? If there becomes a tipping point in that dis/agreement, guess what? I quit and find employment somewhere more suitable to me.

IMO, they are fundie freaks. IMO they have a right to be so. They have not forced their fundie-ness down my throat as I can choose not the shop or be employed there.

Will it all spiral out of control as Desolate fears? I don't know, none of us does. From an historical perspective, the human race has matured. My hope is that we will not backslide for any substantive length of time. It is precisely issues like this that provide the fodder for that maturation.

Apologies for the rambling nature of this post...I've still some cogitating to do one this one.

4 things to say about Hobby Lobby

The monies intended for health care are supposed be a part of wages. This means this would be what the person has earned. If a company does not have to pay full wages this gives them a competitive edge over other companies. there should be a set amount the goes to healthcare it should then be up to the person who receives it what they do with it considering they earned it.

This whole thing could be cleared up if instead of giving funds toward birth control the Companies that were against paying for birth control enough extra was given to employees pay to afford going out and getting it themselves. Once again this would make it up to the person using it how the money was spent as it would give them cash in hand. They could choose to use on other things besides birth control, however it would also make birth control for everyone else likely a little more expensive.

The whole heath care thing should be ran so the people getting it are given a budget with witch to spend money on medical needs this should include money for surgery, doctors visits, medications ect... each year expenses could roll over into the next year so this way the doctors could get paid. Once again this would make it so everything would be more expensive as things would only be purchased as they were needed instead of insuring a person in case it's is. Or we could do it like some countries have and just totally socialize the Health car system entirely removing insurance companies from the equation all together. Sometimes doing something halfway is worse than not doing anything at all.

Finally, If they can get out of a national requirement to pay for birth control when everyone else is required to based on their religious belief, can someone then as a tax payer deduct the amount of taxes as a percentage of governmental spending spent on anything that would stand against their beliefs from their income taxes or would we need a church and religion to be able to get away with that. I think this topic in particular hints at the chaos that can ensue if we let this goes through and I think should in fact ensue if we do. It would create the biggest tax loophole ever.