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@cognistic
Yeah and humans are bad for the planet what’s your point? Just because these things may seem bad for you does not mean they are bad, They are just product of evolution. Rape is not bad it’s just a product of evoltuion. Some may argue rape is actually Beneficial to the survival of our species.
@Jordan: Are you as stupid as you seem? Seriously? WHAT IS YOUR YARDSTICK FOR CALLING ANYTHING GOOD OR BAD. All you do is sling the concepts around. You need a context. Good and Bad outside of any contest is saying nothing at all. Blind frigging inane assertion... just like everything else you spout. You can not have good or bad without agreeing on a context.
@cognostic
Maybe you should go drink some bleach so we can watch natuaral selection happen before our very eyes
@Jordan: Maybe you should go drink some bleach so we can watch natuaral selection happen before our very eyes
Or I could just read one more of your dumb-fuck inane assertions and lose my last two IQ points. (Same Effect) Then we could play together in your sand box with our little toy dragons.
@cognostic
Oh I think I found a soft spot! Atheists just won’t admit that nature does not have right or wrong, good or evil. It just is! Thanks for the clarity
WTF - are you on about now. Of course nature is not good or evil. These are value judgments we apply to the events of nature and the world around us.
@cognistic Your judgment would have no basis in reality.
WTF are you talking about. Of course my judgments have a basis in reality. If I make "Good Judgments." (Those that fit into my culture) I can continue to live freely in that culture.. Should I challenge the culture with my behaviors, I will be treated like you, removed from the culture and locked away, or killed. That's what we do with people who can not tell right from wrong, or in baby talk "good from bad."
@JORDAN: Which reality? My judgment is completely objective and true once reality has been defined. People make Judgment within social contexts. You don't need to share my context, in which case we are not talking about the same thing. In what context are you defining moral behavior, actions. etc.....
@Cog Re: To Jordan - "Then we could play together in your sand box with our little toy dragons."
Ummm... Just an observation, but I'm pretty sure those "toy dragons" you mentioned are actually cat turds. But - Shhhhhh..... *whispering*... don't tell Jordan, though. It would break his little heart. Just keep letting him think they are toy dragons.
@Tin-Man: AWWWWW FFS. I thought the smell was Jordan's posts. It makes perfect sense that someone so detached from reality would be playing with cat turds.
"And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight." (Ezekiel 4:12)
Thanks TIN, WTF was I thinking?
@ Jordan
This remark contravenes the terms of use and has been reported to the mods.
@old man shouts...
Thanks for the heads up..
Next!
@Jordan
Your suggestion that another user should drink bleach makes me very uncomfortable. Perhaps you could make it a non-issue by altering (editing) that post?
I don't think you have a basic grasp of how natural selection works.
I remember you mentioning god several times. Don't make the mistake of thinking that making a new thread will erase the past.
@nyarlathotep
Talk about illogical. One assertion does not dictate the parameters of separate independent assertion.
Desperate
If you don't think people are going to hold you accountable for your past statements, you live in a very different world than I do.
@cognostic
Should we hold bleach responsible? Did bleach hurt you?
@Jordan: Should we hold bleach responsible? Did bleach hurt you?
Absolutely not! We should follow your Einstein example and hold the Swedish chemist Scheele responsible and string that mother fucker up for all the children he killed by inventing that horrible product. What an asshole. But like Einstein, he has already gone to heaven to reap his reward. Fucking asshole. If he was alive today we could have a real witch burning. He was bad.
@cognostic
There there. Scheele is not responsible, he is just an innocent manifestation of billions of years of evolution and Natural chemical processes.
Scheele was also forgiven by your god and saved so he is spending eternity in heaven. So it really does not matter.
@Jordan: Like Einstein's bomb, Scheele's bleach would have been invented with or without him. Calling something a natural process does not limit our ability to call it good or bad.
@cognostic I can call a banana an Apple, it doesn’t make it so. Judging if something is morally wrong in a naturally deterministic world has no basis in reality since the natural world is impartial.
@Jordan; You are so confused, I don't know how you manage to tie your own shoes. Calling a banana bad makes it bad if you are allergic to it. IT MAKES IT SO. FACTUALLY SO.
"JUDGING" Exactly! Do you know what the word means?
verb (used with object), judged, judg·ing.
to pass legal judgment on; pass sentence on (a person):
The court judged him guilty. To hear evidence or legal arguments in (a case) in order to pass judgment; adjudicate; try: The Supreme Court is judging that case.
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VERB (used without object), judged, judg·ing. to act as a judge; pass judgment:
No one would judge between us. to form an opinion or estimate: (GOOD FROM BAD.)
Judging is an action not a thing. Naturally deterministic ? WTF does that mean? You mean in the "Natural World."
How is the natural world "deterministic" the doctrine that all facts and events exemplify natural laws. the doctrine that all events, including human choices and decisions, have sufficient causes.
YOU NEED TO STOP USING WORDS YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
Whether the natural world is impartial or not has no bearing on how we judge it.
@cognostic
Awww cognostic doesn’t know what deterministic means. How is a banana giving you an allergic reaction bad?
How do you come to these judgements? Based on your feelings? And your judgements are right as opposed to anyone elses? Go ahead judge all you want but your judgment of whether or not stabbing babies is evil doesn’t make it true. Just an opinion. Just like if I say Day is better than night, country music is shit music, onions are gross etc.
The words apple and banana have commonly understood meanings, but like all words they are to a certain extent arbitrary none the less. Words can change meanings and incorporate new meanings over time.
Human choices are subjective, this includes morality and word definitions. Get over it...
Sure, it is unfortunately part of nature.
All animals (which humans are) kill one another and other species, but why?
- For mating rights
- For resources
- For determining who is the alpha/pack leader
Etc... the list is endless...
However, we are fortunate to have evolved from hunter gatherers, to pack hunters, to small tribes.. all the way to civilisations.
And within these groups we determined what is best for the group as a hole and made that a rule, hence morals and ethics...
- Gonna eat all the food? Your done, fuckoff!
-Killed a member of the group, thus disrupting harmony, causing grief and reductive the effectiveness of said group... on your way sunshine!
@randomhero1982
Sure we have guidelines for behavior but it does not mean raping or murdering is wrong.
“What is best for the group as a hole”
How is rape not best for the group? Especially if the women aren’t putting out, the species have got to survive. Also why not murder those who don’t contribute to society? Those bums can really drag us as a “hole” down.
If you consider prehistoric times through to probably a few centuries ago, rape wasnt frowned upon as it is now and you did punish those not deemed worthy of being within societies.
But our morals have evolved over time to the point now where we respect women, we realise they are our equals and thus rape, causing pain etc... isn't wanted within our society.
And killing is realised in most advanced countries as being undesirable, for causing more pain, making one no worse than another.
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