In true religious apologist tradition I do not believe he ever has. DO they beat this into theists in Sunday school? I have to admit this was not my experience in the UK. Though of course asking questions, and scepticism were actively frowned upon.
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Who in the hell is J N Vanderbilt III and why is he important?
@ Diotrephes
Look in the Has nature ever created a code? thread.
@ Sheldon
Of course he has answered a question. Like ALL Religious Absolutists are taught, you answer with another question, or with a preposterous unfalsifiable claim.
rmfr
This is my impression as well. hence the question / thread. Sorry if a whole thread seemed frivolous, but the question would be lost in his appeal to ignorance thread about codes, and I have seen threads started with less edifying objectives. Perhaps he has answered a question directly and candidly and I missed it after all.
@Sheldon: Has J N Vanderbilt III ever answered a question?
He asked a question about codes in nature. In the spirit of open debate, I offered an answer, which he ignored. I reminded him and sought a response but got none. I then permanently lost interest.
We're at fault for expecting any other behavior from a theist.
For the record, I suggested that human language was an example of a code created by nature.
i cant' fathom how this thread has 10 000 + views. I've read the original post, a few answers and decided it was not worth my time.
At least the conclusion was funny.
I'm having some fun in that thread at this moment. Let's see what happens as I do ... :)
Just read those posts, good posts, thank you again. I have to say based on my interaction overvyhe past months I very much doubt our creationist friend will read them if I'm honest, but it's good to have someone with a detailed knowledge of the subject nonetheless, as it can get pretty dull presenting the same basic facts over and over.
Welcome to the site btw.
One of the fun aspects of having a passion for invertebrate zoology, is that I alight upon all manner of interesting papers. Though there's some fun yet to be had in that vein, courtesy of some of the wackiness that arises in invertebrate reproduction. I might have fun dropping some of that in the thread in future, if I'm not otherwise distracted by all the fun I'm having with butterfly wing pattern papers right now, or for that matter the JavaScript debugging that's waiting for me once I finish with those wing pattern papers :)
You can imagine the hilarity that ensues when I drop this lot into the lap of door knockers. In the case of the rampantly shagging insects and mites, they leave skid marks on exit. :D
Calilasseia: "One of the fun aspects of having a passion for invertebrate zoology, is that I alight upon all manner of interesting papers."
As do I. Except mine tend more towards geology and volcanology since I work for the organization monitoring the world's largest land-based caldera (super volcano as some know them).
Although I had a passion for genetics and speciation, I was just interested in volcanoes.
Thanks again for your most wonderful posts. Loved every word so far. And as Sheldon said, I am putting a $100 on jnv3 just completely ignoring your posts and making some snide creatard remark.
rmfr
I don't post the material for his benefit anyway, because a decade of dealing with creationist mendacity has taught me it's mostly a waste of time. I'd enjoy more success trying to teach spinor calculus to my tropical fish, than swaying the typical ideological warrior for doctrine.
However, the other members of the audience in such threads, will doubtless enjoy seeing the drivel being subjected to the relevant discoursive miniguns. I remember taking particular pleasure elsewhere, when someone familiar with the discipline of marine architecture introduced me to some interesting reasons why the fantasy floating petting zoo that so many creationists masturbate over, is a fantasy. Then I joined the fray, and had some fun pointing out that almost all of the aquatic life we observe today would have been wiped out, along with the unfortunate millions alleged to have been drowned in the fantasy Flud. :)
Ah, those were the days. Nostalgic reverie time and all that.
Miniguns? My Ass! You have been unloading like the USS North Carolina at Okinawa in WW2. Or, was it Iwo Jima? I forget. Even the newer USS New Jersey has nothing on the guns you have used to unload…
And you are correct. We are enjoying your posts.
rmfr
He answered, but he hasn't made any solid cases for his thoughts.
Like Algebe, I lost complete interest. That thread has been dragging. And honestly it just won't die.
It would be advisable to lock any such threads where the OP has significantly deviated from the thread topic or is otherwise being obtuse about clarifying what they mean by the subject up for debate.
Often there are topics that seem designed to waste the time of others by the asking of loaded questions and/or by adding questions that are not directly relevant and which should be threads in their own right.
Actually, I'm in favour of allowing the duplicitous to make their duplicity manifest. Makes it easier for the unwary to spot and be immunised against.
Freaky, it's like you read my mind?
It's pretty obvious that we're dealing with a member of the "stonewall, parrot robotically and repeatedly, and fabricate" school of creationist apologetics. He's just added quote mining to the discoursive offences list. Not that I expected anything other than rampant mendacity.
Oh FFS - I gave up on that thread long ago. BS, BS and more BS.
The reality is that many very, very good posts will be hidden away in a 45+ page thread that would have been better saved for a meaningful debate.
But there is surely nothing stopping the authors thereof, from duplicating those posts in a much more meaningful and informative thread? Which is the course I would recommend for those who have a yearning to see their work preserved in a setting more akin to the Library of Alexandria. :)
Plus, even threads that have been subject to rampant abuse by the usual suspects, possess much pedagogical value whenever the effort to expose said discoursive abuse is exerted therein.
I just think that spending energy on trolls is going to drain anyone's enthusiasm to post in genuine debate threads, and may also mean they are less likely to be warm towards those who are up for a genuine debate.