Could we one day have the first atheist Pope? We are at least closer than we were before!
"In another interview with his longtime atheist friend, Eugenio Scalfari, Pope Francis claims that Hell does not exist and that condemned souls just "disappear." This is a denial of the 2,000-year-old teaching of the Catholic Church about the reality of Hell and the eternal existence of the soul.
The interview between Scalfari and the Pope was published March 28, 2018 in La Repubblica. The relevant section on Hell was translated by the highly respected web log, Rorate Caeli.
The interview is headlined, "The Pope: It is an honor to be called revolutionary." (Il Papa: “È un onore essere chiamato rivoluzionario.")
Scalfri says to the Pope, "Your Holiness, in our previous meeting you told me that our species will disappear in a certain moment and that God, still out of his creative force, will create new species. You have never spoken to me about the souls who died in sin and will go to hell to suffer it for eternity. You have however spoken to me of good souls, admitted to the contemplation of God. But what about bad souls? Where are they punished?"
Pope Francis says, "They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls."
This is great news as I've always preferred eternal non-existence to a boring eternity of staring at and worshiping the almighty.
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Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell'
Michael W. Chapman
By Michael W. Chapman | March 29, 2018 | 10:45 AM EDT
https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/pope-francis-there-no-hell
YAAAAAY...!!!! *clap-clap-clap-clap-clap...."
the article now includes a non-denial denial by the Vatican.
""The Holy Father Francis recently received the founder of the newspaper La Repubblica in a private meeting on the occasion of Easter, without however giving him any interviews. What is reported by the author in today’s article [in La Repubblica] is the result of his reconstruction, in which the textual words pronounced by the Pope are not quoted. No quotation of the aforementioned article must therefore be considered as a faithful transcription of the words of the Holy Father."
In other words, "This Pope has a big mouth and his private thoughts do not agree with Catholic dogma."
This is really interesting. It appears that this Pope may use logic and reason just a bit and the church can't figure out how to deal with it.
i suspect that instead of incense they used weed...for his meditation..
now the dope.....i mean the pope is doped...
looks like pope watch the movie "coco"
"the final death" as they say in the movie....hahahah...
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Party time!
https://youtu.be/iPUmE-tne5U
But, wait.... Does this mean I can't tell people to go to hell anymore?
" go to hell"
tell them to "go to purgatory and wait for eternity there.."
I'd say you can say "go to heaven", which by the sound of it is kind of a punishment lol. Who wants to sing choir songs for an eternity?
"sing choir songs for an eternity?"
or worst..worshipping god???
looks like god has a lot of attitude issues..why would a god wanted to be worshipped for eternity?
he wants to be spoiled of attention...just like a kid,
god be like: "i'm bored so i created the earth and all the humans in it..for them to worship me for eternity..haha..yes yess..its a great plan"
you can, but you need to hold both hands up, extending two fingers on each to make quotation signs when you get to the word "hell", and really annunciate.
Great news for peadophile priests ennit!
They were already covered with absolution I'd imagine, but it saves any last minute panic I suppose.
The Vatican moderated the Pope's comments on Hell? But isn't the Pope God's direct contact? Isn't he infallible? Has there been some down time between Heaven and the Vatican?....So now we don't go to hell to burn, we just 'disappear'? Fine, that's just what I was counting on in the first place.
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Whoop dee fucking doo da
I love it! Making shit up as they go along. Supports the evolutionary religious meme hypothesis of Dawkins.
If Scalfari is truly a longtime friend, I have no doubt that the remarks attributed to the Pope are broadly what he said. I think it would be difficult to completely miscomprehend a prolonged discursion like that. I'd only doubt it if the Pope outright denies it.
According to the fairy tale all liars will be excluded from the golden cube. Will the Pope say that's wrong?
@Dio Re: "According to the fairy tale all liars will be excluded from the golden cube."
Would that be anything like a Rubik's Cube? Had one when I was a kid, and got to where I could solve it in under a minute and a half. That would be awesome to have a giant Rubik's Cube made of various shades of gold. Wonder how long it would take god to solve it? Hmmmm...... *scratching chin*
Surely one would think he could solve it instantaneously, but then again this is the same god that decided to put man's ball park an inch from the toxic waste disposal site. Not the brightest, that guy.
@Tin-man: Would that be anything like a Rubik's Cube?
No. It's a Borg cube. You'll be wired into the hive collective so you can sing hymns in perfect unison for eternity while god's voice repeatedly intones inside your head, "You have been assimilated."
Having the breathing route and eating route with the same point of origin probably could have been thought through a little better, too.
My wife showed me a meme today that read:
God created the entire universe in six days. But he has spent thousands of years trying to fix what a talking snake fucked up in five minutes.
Theologians talking about the fine points of heaven and hell sound just like teenage Trekkies discussing details of starship design and the intricacies of warp drives and transporter beams. They tend to forget that it's all fiction.
"there is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls."
Typical religion. Talk about make it up as you go along! :-)
Well, shit.... NOW what do we do?
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To me, hell or absence of hell, heaven or limited heaven etc etc
Are all examples of one of the most glaring reasoning and logic flaws in any religion that purports it.
Religions a whole really have painted themselves into a corner with heaven and hell stuff. They would phase out that talk, like they have for a lot of other things, (like embracing evolution over pure creationism for example, or a tiny sun revolving around the earth,) but the idea of ultimate reward and punishment in the metaphysical afterlife idea is one of, if not, the greatest, selling point of all religions that include heaven and/or hell.
Most definitely a misquote.
@JoC Re: "Most definitely a misquote."
Oh, phew! Thank goodness for THAT! I was really starting to get worried there would be no place to send all those nasty and horrible sinners to be tortured forever in writhing pain and agony. After all, any motherfucker who wears mixed fabrics and eats shellfish should definitely BURN!
JoC,
Thanks so much for clearing that up for us in such a confident way backed by such a preponderance of evidence.
You could have just said "That's not what Mommy taught me, and that's not what a Pope would say, so I don't believe it happened." Adding a couple tears, a red face and maybe a finger point or two would make your logic completely unassailable. Good work as always.
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