If god created man and woman in his own likeness, then this means that god is also imperfect, flawed, and capable of making mistakes, doesn't it? So god is not so godly after all. Why then would people worship him (I'm using the most commonly used pronoun to refer to god)? Why believe in the illusion that god punishes those who sin when he himself is not so righteous? Is he justified because of his status as a god? Don't people see the injustice being done here? It's ironic that the very same people would complain about society's injustices but would allow an unfair god to rule over their personal lives.
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Well, he copied them but got it wrong. I mean, no one's perfect, right?
People worship him/her because the stuff has been pounded into their heads since they were very young.
God-status justifies anything. Just think what happens when humans have power over other people. They act like gods too.
Do theists complain about society's injustices? I thought they spent their time abusing gay people and other theists.
Good point, Nutmeg. Yeah, theists are probably too preoccupied with things that theists do. Apparently, man created god in his own image and not the other way around.
If god created man and woman in his own likeness, then this means that god is also imperfect, flawed, and capable of making mistakes, doesn't it?
there are so many ways to interpret that.
including just his physical likeness, or his ability to judge what is right and wrong(morality).
I think it is a weak argument to use for this context especially since that phrase is copied from the Sumerian text word for word.
You're right. But I assume it deals more with the moral aspects since a Christian god is supposed to have no physical form (or am I wrong about this?), except for the Mormon god who actually has flesh and blood.
Yea most Christians would agree that it refers to either both or morality.
But does that even matter?, most Christians can't agree on some of the most fundamental tenants of Christianity.
They would dismiss this argument with ease.
How they mange to dismiss the flood story and a man living inside of a whale is beyond me.
Just to put you in perspective of the type of hypocrisy you are dealing with.
But worse of all is thinking that their god is perfectly just AND merciful.
Perfect justice and ANY mercy at all, are contradictory concepts that any sane person should be able to understand.
From this alone there is no shadow of a doubt that theists are either insane or misguided.
Trying any other argument after this seems meaningless.
You cannot reason with a mind that relies on faith. It is an inherent trait that is slowly being bred out by evolution.
The best way to be productive is to focus on making life for skeptics safe, which includes avoidance of antagonizing believers.
Live and let live.
The extreme opposite of my position believes they will be rewarded from martyrdom.
That type of mind does not embrace logic, only personal glory at the expense of other human beings.
That's what corruption forging can do to a Book. And that's why Quran was revealed to warn and believe in the Final Book that is True and without any doubt. Quran gives the accurate description of God.
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
Say: He, Allah is One.
Allah is He on Whom all depend.
He begets not, nor is He begotten;
And none is like Him.
Chapter 112. Al-Quran
"that's why Quran was revealed to warn and believe in the Final Book that is True and without any doubt."
As I asked you before, without getting an answer (except for more quotes from the Quran), what makes you think it is true without any doubt? The fact that someone told you it's true, isn't a valid reason. That is what literal believers of every religion says about their scriptures.
Quran is to the point. Quran is the word of God. Quran talks about Justice. Reward and Punishment. Family and Lifestyle. How to eat and how to be clean and tidy. How to be nice to others and its talks about previous books and clearly defines what One God means. There are simply no association there never were nor will be. Ever. Allah is one will always be one.
I do not Only Trust Quran but I also Love Quran. I also admire Quran. I adore Quran. I fall for it everytime I read it or listen to what Allah is saying in it. My faith is stronger with Quran. Without Allah and Quran Im Nothing. Im everything because of it. without it im lost and without it im empty. Quran is the most beautiful read in the world because every good piece of advice you hear from a man actually was written in the books by Allah. Quran completed the religion of Abraham and other prophets Pbuh. Quran was a miracle given to prophet Muhammad Pbuh for all mankind. Not just you and me but for all of mankind.I Love It. My Trust in it is forever. My trust in Allah is forever.
Dude, it's a book written by men in the Iron age. That is why it is full of non-sense.
@Jamal
"I do not Only Trust Quran but I also Love Quran"
Again, you avoid the main question.
You seriously have no idea why you trust the Quran as true, do you?
You seem to have nothing to answer here. To me, you seem to be the typical example of indoctrination. You believe because you have been told to to. That is so tremendously sad.
I think Moby Dick is probably a better example of a great book, although some parts are a little dry and could have been edited out.
Granted, it wasn't written with the blood of fifty virgins, but it's still a masterpiece. Chapter 132 'The Symphony' is a favorite of mine.
Spending an entire lifetime devoted to one book like the Quran is really just an exercise in futility. Any person that knows anything about writing knows that literary craft is constantly evolving. Why dwell on outdated concepts, especially those that are an affront to the equality of women?
Well said.
And minorities. And apostates. And everyone except muslim men. Who wrote it.
And don't forget the muslim men who wrote it LOL!!
Is it wrong I just made my own day? :(
And don't forget the muslim men who wrote it LOL!!
Is it wrong I just made my own day? :(
It goes with everything it says. That's why I trust the QURAN. Now If you don't agree then off course its your point of view. I've cleared mine. Lets be witnesses of each other. From creation of Earth, Heaven, Man and everything to how to behave and how to be successful and how to live and how to end up successful. No man has ever come close to the word of God. Allah says I revealed it on a man. so that you can understand. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never claimed any worldly benefit in return for it. He was known as the "Truthful' and "Honest" among his people. Even enemies used to deposit their wealth and goods with him. He was the chosen one. See to trust in it you have to go into history a little and read it and then connect the dots.
Allah says: For, Believers are those who, when Allah is mentioned, feel a tremor in their hearts, and when they hear His signs rehearsed, find their faith strengthened, and put (all) their trust in their Lord; (Surah Al-Anfal, 2)
when the Caesar received the Holy Prophet's letter he became curious and ordered a man from the Hijaz to be found out and brought to him so that he might make investigations about Muhammad. By chance at that time Abu Sufyan and some other Qurayshites had gone to Syria for the purpose of trade. They were taken to Jerusalem and were presented at the Caesar's court.
He asked them: "Who amongst you is most closely related to the man who claims to be the Prophet of Allah?" Abu Sufyan replied: "I am more closely related to him than all others". It was a fact because none of the Qurayshites in the caravan, except Abu Sufyan, was a descendant of Abd Munaf. Caesar said: "What is your relationship with Muhammad?" Abu Sufyan replied: "He is the son of my uncle". Caesar said: "Come nearer". After this he ordered the companions of Abu Sufyan to stand behind him.
Then he turned to the interpreter and said: "Tell the companions of Abu Sufyan that I have made him sit before them so that I may question him about the man who claims to be the Prophet of Allah and I have made them sit behind him so that if he tells a lie they may not feel ashamed on account of looking him in the face and may contradict him. Abu Sufyan used to say later: "I swear by Allah that if I had not been afraid that if I told a lie those persons would contradict me, I would have told a lie. However, I felt ashamed and spoke the truth against my wish".
The following conversation took place between the Caesar and Abu Sufyan:
Caesar: To what sort of family does this proclaimer of prophet hood belong?
Abu Sufyan: He belongs to a noble family.
Caesar: Did anyone amongst you make such a claim earlier?
Abu Sufyan: No.
Caesar: Did he ever tell a lie before he claimed to be a Prophet?
Abu Sufyan : No.
Caesar: Has there been any king among his ancestors?
Abu Sufyan: No.
Caesar: How is his wisdom, understanding and intelligence?
Abu Sufyan: We have not observed any defect in his wisdom, understanding and intelligence.
Caesar: What kind of people has embraced this religion? The nobles and aristocrats or the middle class and the poor?
Abu Sufyan: The middle class and the poor.
Caesar: Are his followers increasing or decreasing?
Abu Sufyan: They are increasing day after day.
Caesar: Does it so happen that someone of them may hate the religion of Islam and apostatize?
Abu Sufyan: No.
Caesar: Does Muhammad break promises?
Abu Sufyan: We have not seen any such thing from him so far.
We have since concluded a covenant with him and do not know how he will act in future (Abu Sufyan meant the 10-year's covenant concluded at Hudaybiya).
Caesar: Have you fought any battle against him so far?
Abu Sufyan: Yes.
Caesar: What was the result of your fighting?
Abu Sufyan: Sometimes we won and sometimes he was victorious. In the Battle of Badr he was successful against us, but I did not participate in that battle. A year later, (i.e. in the Battle of Uhud) we launched an attack on his city and split the bellies and cut off the ears and noses of the people.
Caesar: What does he order you to do?
Abu Sufyan: He orders us to worship Allah and not to associate anything with Him in the matter of authority .He forbids us to worship the idols which have been worshipped by our ancestors. He asks us to offer prayers, give alms, speak the truth, observe chastity, honor the promises and covenants and not to commit breach of trust".
The Caesar considered the investigation sufficient about the personality of the Holy Prophet. He, therefore, said to Abu Sufyan: I asked you about his ancestry and you replied that he comes from a noble family. All the Prophets of Allah are of noble birth in their tribes. I asked you whether someone from amongst you claimed to be a prophet earlier and you replied in the negative. Of course, if someone from amongst you had made such a claim it might be said that he was imitating what had been said earlier.
Then I asked you whether he had been telling lies before he claimed to be a prophet and you yourself admitted that there had been no such thing and he had never lied to the people. I then concluded that there was no reason why a person who did not lie to the people should calumniate Allah. I asked you whether there had been any king among his ancestors and you replied in the negative. Of course, if there had been any king among his ancestors it might be said that he too had risen to regain kingship.
The Caesar continued: "Thereafter I asked you whether the number of the followers of Muhammad was increasing or decreasing gradually and you replied that their number was increasing day after day. Faith in God and His true Prophets produces such results i.e. it attracts more adherents day after day till it attains perfection. I also asked you whether it so happened that someone from amongst the Muslims has shown hatred against Islam or has turned apostate and you said that there had been no such case.
This is the case with faith, because when one's heart acquires relief and comfort by means of faith it does not feel sad. Then I asked you whether you had ever fought with him and you replied that battles had taken place between you and him, and in some of them you were successful whereas in others he was victorious. That is what happens to the Prophets of God. At times they get into difficulties but eventually their advancement and success is certain.
Then I asked you what he ordered you to do and you replied that he ordered you to offer prayers, give alms, observe piety and chastity, honor your promises and not to commit breach of trust. You have admitted that he has never been dishonest, deceitful and unfaithful. This is how the Prophets of God behave. They are not dishonest, deceitful and unfaithful. In the light of these enquiries I am certain that he is the Prophet of God".
Heraclius (575 – February 11, 641) was Byzantine Emperor from 610 to 641