Hi guys, I just wanted to know some of your guys opinion on a topic. Atheist or not, if you pictured to yourself that there was a God, do you find it morally right/fair for a God to never let his creation be as powerful as him. Why or why not. Personally, I don't. I guess, if you found this fair, then you might even consider that your own parents would always have dominion and power over you is also fair, since they physically made you.
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God apparently has no control at all over his creations. Lucifer proved that. Adam and eve proved that. The great flood proved that. The exodus proved that twice. God is a failure and an idiot. Humans are already more powerful than him. When has God done anything at all to demonstrate his magical power?
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"Atheist or not, if you pictured to yourself that there was a God, do you find it morally right/fair for a God to never let his creation be as powerful as him. Why or why not."
In the biblical fairy tale crap rolls downhill. The God character is at the top, then the various rulers, then men (not women), parents, women, children. The people on the lower rungs are not equal to the ones above them. So a common man can never be equal to his ruler. A woman can never be equal to a man, and children can never be equal to their parents (as long as the parents are alive). So although a guy can have his own family and be its Boss he is still subservient to his own parents. So in such a system why would the God character ever allow anyone to be his equal?
@Diotrephes Do you find any inconvenience in that, or would you be all good with it?
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"Do you find any inconvenience in that, or would you be all good with it?"
People are animals. All animals have hierarchies that determine an individual's status in the group. Humans have multiple hiearchies so an individual can be the top dog in one group and an insignificant member in another group. It is what it is.
Fair is defined as an attitude towards other people, the concept doesn't really make much sense if we apply it to the concept of omnipotent and omniscient deities.
Fair is defined by each individual as they see fit. Just like morality. Just like truth. Sometimes, you will get many people who agree with you, thus laws are created along with traditional accepted behaviors. Why cannot anyone see this simple true truth?
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This entire religion thing always places one of more gods at the top. That is part of the structure, just like the bottom rung of a ladder is always on the bottom.
Fair has nothing to do with it. In fact, nothing in religion embraces the "fair" concept.
A lot of parents just have sex without the intention of making anyone. Mine did, after a 6 month separation. I was unplanned and a bit of a upset to say the least (something I still live up to). Their care and love of me aside, despite all their disciplining, training, instruction and other demands, I was still left with an indelible stubborn and inflated sense of my own self worth. My old grandma used to say "your older brother was a difficult little bugger, but compared to you, he was an angel." My parents may have made me physically, but they had nothing to do with who I really am/was. I am certain my parents could have commiserated with the gods on the hardships of parenthood.
Which reminds me of a story...
An old jewish farmer went to his rabbi and said "I have a son who wants to be a christian."
The rabbi frowned shrugged his shoulders and replied "I too, have a son, who wants to be a christian. Perhaps we should go to the high priest and ask his advice."
So the two went to the high priest in his temple and the rabbi told him, "I have a son, who wants to be a christian."
The high priest sighed heavily, frowned, shook his head and said. "I too, have a son, who wants to be a christian. Lets take our problem to God.
So the farmer, the rabbi and the high priest prayed in the temple to God. The priest said " I have a son who wants to be a christian."
Out of the profound silence a deep voice replied, "Mmmmm, I too, have a son...."
@grinseed lol, that's actually quite a funny story
@Orignal post
First if I had absolute undeniable proof that there was a god, I would have a lot bigger concerns than the "fairness" of the god being more powerful than I could ever be or not.
This is kind of an interesting philosophical question we may actually face as humans, do we risk creating an AI that could potentially be as smart/powerful as humans or smarter? I would say not worth the risk, because a computer as capable and powerful as humans are, or greater would be one that could make decisions for itself that may not necessarily be beneficial for its creators (us humans.)
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Re: OP and Fairness
For what it's worth, it seems to me fairness is strictly a matter of perspective. For instance, if a fly had a sense of "fairness", it might consider it to be incredibly unfair if it got stuck in a spider's web and became lunch for an arachnid. The spider, on the other hand, would consider the fly getting trapped in its web to be quite a wonderful thing. Totally fair from the spider's point of view. Just one ol' tin clunker's humble opinion.... *shrugging shoulders*....
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Job 13:8 (ERV) = "Are you trying to defend God against me? You are not being fair. You are choosing God’s side simply because he is God."
Fairness is subjective. In the US some people find it fair to call a woman a slut for the SAME reason they would call a man a Stud. Some people think it's a double standard. Fairness is a man-made construct. Humanity hates the idea of their own creations surpassing them in anyway. This is evidenced by the performing arts and made up stories based on that very sentiment. Don't believe me? Check out any Rouge A. I movie, Terminator and perhaps the most classic... Stories of God
Among other words and phrases, two I dislike hearing the most are, “it’s not fair...” and “I/you/we/they (don’t) deserve (fill in the blank)”.
And my response has always been, "life is not fair, deal with it".
Mine has always been the opposite. "Life is fair." Like anyone else you are not exempt from bullshit.
Depending on your worldview (eg. If you are a believer in Samsara and rebirth - as Buddhists seem to be) then it is entirely possible that you may be reborn as God. There is mention in Buddhist scriptures that, after seven years of practicing Loving Kindness (in a former life time) the Buddha-to-be was reborn as “Brahma” - King of the Gods.
Many Hindu religions aspire to “God Consciousness”. This is also an epitaph to a dwindling collective interest in “Christ Consciousness”. The point being that anyone who attains such a state of mind becomes as powerful as the Deity he formerly worshipped.
I was once reborn as the Monkey King. But I fucked up ;and now I am a cockroach.
Thought you were a monkey, or is that avatar of someone else?
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When I look in the mirror I see a monkey but I am a cockroach on the inside. That's why I am going to Cambodia to have two more arms attached to my torso and antenna attached to my head. I was born a monkey but inside I am a cockroach. I want to lay eggs and eat more interesting things than bananas. I want to live in the dark and have women scream when they see me. I want to achieve my full cockroachhood.
I will pray that you transition from monkey to cockroach. I will pray to the highest Power. And the hormone therapy these days - it’s amazing what modern science has achieved.
I know what it feels like to be an animal trapped in another, different animal’s body. I look in the mirror and see a badger - but all my life I knew I was diffferent. I knew I was the RAT KING!!!
@Rat Spit Re: "I look in the mirror and see a badger..."
Hell, yeah, dude! Embrace your inner honey badger! Here ya go, my friend. Hope this helps you a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg
Edit to add: Combine the honey badger with your Rat Kingdomness, and you could be invincible!
Ahhh. Lol. That one’s a classic. Thanks! Hey
Cog, this one is for you, buddy! Embrace your inner cockroach!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKYJf2DL1FM
@Original post
I can't help thinking that the original post is a premise for a bigger question.
I always thought that to be able to test god (have proof) would make us his equal, and it started in the way you present this topic. I used it to justify the absence of proof.
Don't want to side track so I'l just leave it at that.
Lets suppose christianity is true...included are all the tenets of this faith. Also suppose there is a person that is perfect in the eyes of that god...follows this faith to a T, for all his/her life, not one sin ever...except, they do not believe in a god, any god. They die, and off they go to hell, for eternity. Is that fair?
doG,
"...they do not believe in a god, any god. They die, and off they go to hell, for eternity. Is that fair?"
According to the biblical fairy tale that would be a violation of the clause in the First Commandment about not worshiping other gods. Although the person does not believe in any god he does not worship Jealous, which means that the person gets the death penalty under the fairy tale's rules.
Theists have convinced me of one thing: they believe that all of reality, all of the universe and anything beyond it is all about worshipping old Jealous. Fairness has naught to do with it.