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Obviously, given the level of your discourse, you must be an intellectual giant!
If God loves everybody, then why are there rules that discriminate against certain people, and certain lifestyles? If God loves everybody, then why is it said that if someone chooses NOT to "believe" there is a special place they will go, to be burned, tortured, and miserable till the end of time...whether they were a good person, or not? If God created all, and is said to be perfect, then why did he create defenseless children born with horrible diseases...or areas of this planet where there is nothing but starvation, disease, and death, through no fault of the people that live there? Scientists have DEFINITIVE proof of certain things that have happened in our universe that is uncovering what happened here billions of years ago...they are figuring it out, and you know what...it has NOTHING TO DO WITH A GOD. Very simply, science DOES NOT LIE. Whether you choose to acknowledge that is your perogative. Pearly Gates?...WHAT HOGWASH!!
Why is it religious folks always feel it is their right to foist their goofy ideas off on everyone else?
"The New Atheists such as Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris try to use the theory of evolution to disprove the existence of god."
I don't think so. I think they do talk about it, however, when theists bring up the creationism story of their particular god. It is not used as an initial arguement to disprove anything. There is, after all, no need to disprove that which is asserted as truth but has no proof. It is merely used as a counter to weak theist argument.
Well spoken sir. I would venture to say that such problems occur when you try to match Science vs Philosophy in general. The most simplest reason is because Science is a away to gather information, whereas Philosophy is the act of thinking. Science is merely a tool of discovery, and that's why Science can always be rationalized within Religion. The only times Science and Religion go head to head, are when individuals give Philosophical implications to Scientific observations.
However the idea of Abiogenesis seems like the best ground Science can have against Religion. If we reach a moment where we are able to create life, then that's a huge blow against God. But even then (and I'm exagerrating) there's no reason to believe we can't know how God created life, and make it ourselves. We can give life to babies, so why not a cell.
Of course I personally believe that if we get to the point where we can create life, then it's a done deal. Religion is dead.
"However the idea of Abiogenesis seems like the best ground Science can have against Religion."
Not really, religion shifts goalposts all the time.
"If we reach a moment where we are able to create life, then that's a huge blow against God."
Not really, the moment we can CREATE life, we will have proven it can be...created. It would only be a significant blow against theistic creation if it can occur naturally.
"But even then (and I'm exagerrating) there's no reason to believe we can't know how God created life, and make it ourselves. We can give life to babies, so why not a cell."
We can combine and modify preexisting patterns found in DNA, that is a little different from making them from scratch, I am not really sure if we are quite able to do that or how close we are to it.
"Of course I personally believe that if we get to the point where we can create life, then it's a done deal. Religion is dead."
Nah, religion has survived every major blow that has been delivered unto it. It survived a round Earth ,heliocentrism, evolution, the age of the earth, and others until now. I have little reason to believe that this would be the death-knell for religious belief.
It won't matter what is discovered. As Travis said, they will just move the goal posts, again.
Hey that sounds alot like a discussion i had with a fellow theist!!! We said that no matter how much evidence or what kind of evidence for a creator was given, these stubborn atheists will just keep on denying it and keep on "lacking belief".
That may in fact be true. However until you present said evidence, we won't really know will we. However we do have a long history is watching theists do mental gymnastics to avoid evolution.
"Hey that sounds alot like a discussion i had with a fellow theist!!! We said that no matter how much evidence or what kind of evidence for a creator was given, these stubborn atheists will just keep on denying it and keep on "lacking belief"."
Complaining works better when you actually provide the evidence you claim to.
Where is the " Creator's" evidence? Science has pictures from high powered, sophisticated equipment, computer generated photographs from the gasses still in the atmosphere from The Big Bang , NASA has been sending up rockets millions of miles to other planets for decades, ( anyone ever run into God up there?) taking pictures, gathering dirt, rocks, and other debis, slowly but surely piecing together the puzzle of how everything, including life as we know it got started, archeologists have fossils linking animals of all kinds of different species, and events, that took place millions of years ago, including the first humans, the way the warming, or cooling of the earth created natures most incredible views, such as the Grand Canyon, and Niagra Falls. All of these things are FACT... by the collection of evidence and scientific study. The biggest difference in this, and your theory, is that these are things that CAN BE SEEN. With your theory, it is the same as someone believing that a little lepricon, or Santa Clauss, or ANYTHING, created, and has the power of the earth. There is no proof, and nothing has shown its presence. Anyone can say that anything exists under those circumstances, and if they choose to believe it, will. Nothing will change their minds, like nothing will change yours or mine. But I will say that my reasoning is logical, and sensible, and is without question backed up by scientific proof , and physical evidence, while your reasoning is not.
I think the postulation is that evolution, being a study in the sciences of life as we have so far determined, is presented by an as yet unknown Intelligent Design (ID). In other words, the sciences and other academic areas of study are the intent of an ID Plan to be discovered and explored.
That's not to say that ID and the notion of a god are synonymous.
The idea of a god may also be the work of an ID seed planted in an evolving psyche to fill the void of knowledge until the academic studies are discovered, explored and provide the answers the primitive psyche adapted gods to. Once gods are obsoleted, the academics of the ID Plan will carry the psyche to the next level, and so on in a train of discoveries, taking humanity and its cosmos where it leads.
The argument that god is the ID doesn't rationalize itself because at some point god will be completely rejected while the curious notion of an ID will still pique the inquisitive psyche and live on...or will it?
Yea ID concept is abused as an apologetic for Theism to somehow squeeze their god in there.
In actual fact ID could be one explanation of how earth was created if one assumes that we are not the first intelligent species in the universe.
Which is a humble assumption in my eyes.
Believer.
The concept "scientific theory of evolution" doesn't mean that it is a theory in common language. It is a scientific theory, as in the theory of gravitation. In other words, it is commonly accepted as fact.
"Evolution remains an undisputed fact within the scientific community and in academia, where the level of support for evolution is essentially universal." - Quoted from Wikipedia.
The evolution deniers of today are on the same level as "The Flat Earth Society", "The Catholic Apologetics International" - that believe that the earth is the centre of the universe.
In other words, pure ignorace or denial.
I'm amazed how someone can theorize that earth is the center of the universe without prior use of revolutionary astronomical instruments.
What a bunch of crap!! All this nonsense dosen't sound intelligent, it sounds ridiculous. Stop trying to make more out of this than there really is!!
Oh, kenny. And you were doing so well. I was rooting for you.
Kenny is the scorpion, not the frog.
Wow, a real life application of Aesopian morals. Color me non-plussed.
What does THAT mean??
What does THAT mean??
Who's Kenny??... Is that YOU boobala!?
Before YouTube I did not know that there were people that don't "believe" in evolution. That is not an attempt to be funny, I really mean that.
Oh my Lord! Evolution has been disproved! Pack it up boys and girl!
http://proud-atheist.tumblr.com/post/116977967720/well-pack-it-up-boys-w...
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