The theory of evolution should be expunged from curriculum of biology.
In order to fully explain the origin of different plants and animals that exist on the earth, all various theories of evolution ( neo-darwinian model, punctuated equilibrium model and neutral model of molecular evolution) completely focus on how the genetic information contained in the DNA are being "changed" or "rewired" by mutations (as the theories assumed).
Not only that these evolutionary theories completely neglect how the first complete set of DNA information ( contained in the first living cell ) came to exist in the first place, but they also completely neglect the ultimate origin of the underlying design ( like meiotic cell division, fertilization, mitotic cell division, cellular differentiation and morphogenesis ) that even make the transformation of these DNA information into physical plants and animals to be possible.
Hence, the similitude of the evolutionary scientists are like researchers who completely focus on how the instructions contained in the cooking manual are being changed in order to fully explain the origin of the varieties of food found in a particular restaurant and completely neglect how those cooking instructions are being actually transformed into different plates of food served before the customers.
Yet it is agreed by all that the underlying design ( a well- furnished kitchen with cooking utensils, cooking appliances, cooking ingredients and cooking experts that would read, interpret and implement the cooking instructions ) that make the transformation of instructions contained in the cooking manual into different plates of food to be possible is far far more important than the cooking instructions itself.
Similarly, the underlying design ( like meiotic cell division, fertilization, mitotic cell division, cellular differentiation and morphogenesis) that make the transformation of the DNA information into physical plants and animals to be possible is far far more important than the DNA information itself
(1)If this is true, then why do all the theories of evolution completely focus on how the genetic information contained in the DNA are being "changed" or "rewired" by mutations (as the theories assumed) in order to fully explain the origin of different plants and animals and completely neglect the ultimate origin of the underlying design (like meiotic cell division, fertilization, mitotic cell division, cellular differentiation and morphogenesis) that make the transformation of these DNA information into physical plants and animals to be possible ?
Even if we assume that the first living cell managed to evolve from non living materials and again managed to replicate itself ( abiogenesis—a problem that all the world scientists are yet to be solved), then:
(2) What later caused some of these self-replicating cells to abandon their diploid way of life and suddenly change to become haploid cells (meiotic cell division)—an event that make sexual reproduction to be possible— ?
( 3) What later caused two of these haploid cells to start fusing with one another during sexual reproduction in order to restore their original diploid state ( fertilization) ?
(4) What later caused this fused cell (called zygote) to multiply and form a compact ball of similar cells (mitotic cell division) ?
(5) What later caused this compact ball of similar cells to "differentiate" and "specalize" to form different types of cell (like bone cells, muscle cells, blood cells, nerve cells, skin cells, cartilage cells, epithelial cells, endothelia cells, liver cells, kidney cells, brain cells, retinal cells etc) using a complex cascade of genetic program known as developmental gene regulatory network (dGRN) ( cellular differentiation) ?
(6) What if the similar ball of cells just continue to multiply (like what we observed with cancer cells ) and never stop to start differentiation process ?
(7) Besides, how did last ball of cell to multiply get to "know" that it is time to stop multiplication and start the differentiation process ?
(8 What later caused these group of differentiated and specialized cells to start "arranging" themselves in a particular way in order to form various tissues and distinct organs of different size, shape and function at different location ( morphogenesis) ?
(9) What if all the differentiated cells just come together to form a big mass of intermingled tissue (like a bulk of shapeless meat) without forming any distinct organ ?
(10) So how does these differentiated cells "know" which direction to take, which pattern of arrangement to follow and to what extent they will multiply in order to construct a distinct organ of a particular shape and size in a specific location ?
(11) If all this knowledge regarding the shape, size and location of a particular organ in a body plan are already encoded in the genetic information, then what or better yet who encoded this knowledge ? And how does the cells even manage to decode this knowledge and act accordingly if there is no any "intelligent planning" that went ahead the whole show ?
If evolutionary scientists have no convincing answers to all these questions and even have no convincing explanation concerning the origin of the first living cell, then why does theory of evolution is still being portrayed in the academic circle as a scientific fact that fully explain how different plants and animals on earth came to exist without the need of being created by anyone ?
Is it not the high time for the theory of evolution to be completely expunged from the curriculum of biology both at the high school level and in colleges?
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Of course, some people may want to argue: if the theory of evolution is not true and we are truly created by someone intelligent, then why do we "sometimes" observe some birth defects and congenital anomalies in the newborn babies ?
The existence of birth defects and congenital anomalies that seldom observe in newborn babies is meant to prove
that hundreds of complex events involved in the transformation of a tiny ball of cell (called zygote) into a newborn baby is neither (i) the work of natural laws nor (ii) the work of random chance but (iii) the work of intelligent design.
For if those hundreds of complex embryonic events is the work of natural laws, then no birth defects would be observed because there is no way for the physical or chemical laws of nature to change to cause such anomalies in the newborn babies . For if the physical or chemical laws of nature are changeable, then a stable universe cannot exist.
Again, if those hundreds of complex events is the work of random chance, then the number of such anomalies in the newborn babies would be far far greater than the number of normal births. In fact, all newborn babies must posses one birth defect or the other . But this is not the case[b].
But could those hundreds of complex embryonic events be the [b]work of natural laws and the work of random chance combined together ?
If an event operate by obeying a work of natural laws, then such an event can only happen in one way. Hence, such an event cannot be based on a work of chance which required an event to happen in more than one way. Therefore, work of natural laws and work of chance directly contradict each other. Hence, both of them cannot just operate together in the same event. One must leave for the other to operate Hence, to assert that an embryonic event is due to work of natural laws and work of random chance combined together is nothing but contradiction in terms.
However, if we go extreme to assume that some of the embryonic events are purely base on the work of natural laws while other events are purely base on the work of random chance, then the number of birth defects would be roughly equal to the number of normal birth. Again, this is not the case: the number of normal births is far far greater than the number of birth defects.
Therefore, after the elimination of the work of natural laws and the work of random chance,[/b]then the only option left to account for those hundreds of complex embryonic events is the [b]work of intelligent design.
This is exactly how the birth defects and congenital anomalies that we sometimes observe in the newborn babies prove that complex events involved in the transformation of a zygote into a beautiful new born baby is the work of intelligent design.
But if you're not satisfy with this answer and you still insist that evolution is true and creation is false, then invite any evolutionary scientists to answer all the questions cited above (especially question 10 and 11).
That is the most ridiculous statement I've read this week; but hey it's only Monday.
@OP
Do you believe other animals are intelligently designed? What objective evidence do you have that there is an intelligent designer?
@ Sorrentino
"Again, if those hundreds of complex events is the work of random chance, then the number of such anomalies in the newborn babies would be far far greater than the number of normal births. In fact, all newborn babies must posses one birth defect or the other . But this is not the case[b]."
What is the "[b]" for? Did you copy and paste from another source?
Your thinking classifies all changes as birth DEFECTS. On that I disagree because if you have siblings, each one is distinct from another. Every newborn has changes, the bisexual reproduction process is not one of cloning. And not all changes are lethal, gross, or malignant. Some changes are benign, some are even advantageous.
Well one can argue, what is the better model.. a bayesian probability approach to evolutionary theory, in which we know 99% and that's currently good enough (but continue to search) or a god of the caps arguement which requires the suspension of all known laws I.e. physics.
If you believe creation is true, please provide empirical evidence to support your assertion.
@Sorrentino Re: OP
Oh fuck-a-doddle-do... *face palm*... *groan*... Here we go again. The ol' Evolution Denial routine... *heavy sigh*... Okay, fine. Whatever. Well, safe to say there will be others along shortly to properly school you. Personally, I would love to do so myself, but I am no expert in that field of study. More to the point, though, it is not even remotely necessary for me to be highly knowledgeable in that area, because my being an atheist is remarkably independent of anything having to do with evolution or Abiogenisis. I am now an atheist strictly because of what is in the bible and how I was raised in a Christian home/community. All the current findings in the realm of evolution, Abiogenisis, bible development, and astrophysics serve only to reinforce my position. However, even if you were somehow able to completely debunk evolution with your very next post, I would STILL BE an atheist. Because your proving evolution to be wrong DOES NOT prove, or even indicate, the existence of your god.
So, what else ya got, Sparky?
(Side note: By the way, which of you godless heathens out there know how to do the text search thing? I could be totally wrong, but much of our new friend's material has a very "cut-n-paste" feel to it without giving proper credit. Just a hunch... *shrugging shoulders*...)
@Sorrentino
OK, so lets say you overturn all of what is known of evolutionary biology, and prove evolution wrong. That does not get you one step closer to demonstrating a god exists. You do understand that atheism existed long before Darwin came up with his theory, right?
Your 'god did it' hypothesis has to be supported with demonstrable, repeatable and falsifiable evidence (and valid and sound logic), on its own merits, whether evolution is correct of not.
So, your entire opening posts are pretty much non-sequiturs.
Kinda looks like a giant copy and paste OP. Or maybe that's just me, but it sure sounds extremely familiar...
@LostLocke Re: Cut-n-paste
Oh, good. Wasn't just my imagination.
Sorrentino, you wrote, “But if you're not satisfy with this answer and you still insist that evolution is true and creation is false, then invite any evolutionary scientists to answer all the questions cited above (especially question 10 and 11).”
NO! Do it yourself!
You arent condeming evolutionary theory because you think its wrong. You exhibit too little understanding of research of recent decades to propose any meaningful critiques.
You are simply and ineffectively defending your unverifiable belief in creation mythology.
What viable objective evidence do you have for a supernatural deity?
Oh look, another Gish Gallop from a pedlar of creationist masturbation fantasies.
Let's deal with the requisite assertions in turn, shall we?
Mutations aren't "assumed", they're documented. Out of the 1½ million peer reviewed scientific papers in circulation from the field of evolutionary biology, tens of thousands of them document mutations that were observed to appear in various lineages, and many of those papers provide a genetic audit trail for those mutations. Among the favourite examples of mine are:
Nonhepatic Origin of Notothenioid Antifreeze Reveals Pancreatic Synthesis As Common Mechanism in Polar Fish Freezing Avoidance by Chi-Hing C Cheng, Paul A. Cziko and Clive W. Evans, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the USA, 103: 10491-10496 (2006) [Full paper downloadable from here]
Evolution of Antifreeze Glycoprotein Gene from a Trypsinogen Gene in Antarctic Notothenioid Fish by Liangbiao Chen, Arthur L. DeVries, and Chi-Hing C. Cheng, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the USA, 94*8): 3811-3816 (DOI: 10.1073/pnas.94.8.3811) [Full paper downloadable from here
Let's take a look at the latter paper shall we?
The abstract above on its own blows your cretinous assertion out of the water, but there's more:
The authors continue with this:
The authors then move on to this:
Moving on to the discussion, we have:
The authors continue with:
Oh look, the authors provide evidence for the requisite hypothesis, that Antarctic Notothenioid ice fishes acquired their antifreeze glycoproteins via duplication of a pancreatic trypsinogen gene, and subsequent modification by mutation of the duplicated copy. And, they provide what is effectively a genetic audit trail for the process, allowing the ancestral gene to be reconstructed. Which should not be possible if creationist assertions are something other than the products of their rectal passages.
However, there's another set of evolutionary developments worth covering in detail, and that's the loss of eyes in cave dwelling members of Astyanax mexicanus. This is going to be a substantial exposition, so be patient.
Eye evolution is one of those vexed topics that continues to resurface on forums such as this, and indeed, will probably continue to resurface, courtesy not only of the wilful ignorance (not to mention ideologically motivated discoursive duplicity) of critics of evolutionary theory (Darwin quote mines, anyone?), but because incredulity still persists with respect to this topic. Therefore, I thought it apposite to collect, in one place, as large a body of scientific work on eye evolution, with reference to as many relevant scientific papers as possible, that can be fitted into the confines of posts within these forums. Among those papers are a brace of papers on blind cave fishes, which are particularly apposite with respect to eye evolution, and the illumination of relevant processes and relevant genes.
Having engaged in a literature search on the Mexican Blind Cave Characin, Astyanax mexicanus, for another thread elsewhere, I thought I would bring the material over here, as it makes compelling reading. I found several interesting papers, and provide links to those that can be downloaded in full, and quotes from abstracts where appropriate in order to highlight specific points. Where possible, I shall also provide detailed exposition of the contents of some papers. As a consequence, this is going to be a long post. :)
Basically, the development of the eye in Astyanax mexicanus is controlled by the genes Pax6, shh and twhh among others, though these are, thus far, the ones principally implicated. I suspect that somewhere along the lines, a linkage with HOX genes and possibly even bmp signalling may prove to be part of the total picture once the requisite research is performed - it wouldn't surprise me if this was the case, given how HOX genes and bmp signalling turn up in a diverse range of other developmental mechanisms, but for now, shh and twhh appear to be the prime movers signalling wise.
So, on to the papers! First ...
Evidence for Multiple Genetic Forms With Similar Eyeless Phenotypes In The Blind Cavefish, Astyanax mexicanus by Thomas E. Dowling, David P. Martasian and William R. Jeffery, Molecular Biology & Evolution, 19(4): 446-455 (2002), which can be downloaded in full and read at leisure as a PDF document from [here, and the abstract reads thus:
Other interesting papers include:
Genetic Analysis of Cavefish Reveals Molecular Convergence in the Evolution of Albinism by Meredith E. Protas, Candace Hershey, Dawn Kochanek, Yi Zhou, Horst Wilkens, William R. Jeffery, Leonard I. Zon, Richard Borowsky and Clifford J. Tabin, Nature Genetics, 38(1): 107-111 (January 2006) which can be downloaded in full from here;
Hedgehog Signalling Controls Eye Degeneration in Blind Cavefish by Yoshiyuki Yamamoto, David W. Stock and William R. Jeffery, Nature, 431: 844-847 (19 July 2004) (not a free download but the abstract is online).
From the latter paper about Hedgehog signalling, I provide the abstract:
Hedgehog (Hh) proteins are responsible for critical signalling events during development but their evolutionary roles remain to be determined. Here we show that hh gene expression at the embryonic midline controls eye degeneration in blind cavefish. We use the teleost Astyanax mexicanus, a single species with an eyed surface-dwelling form (surface fish) and many blind cave forms (cavefish), to study the evolution of eye degeneration. Small eye primordia are formed during cavefish embryogenesis, which later arrest in development, degenerate and sink into the orbits. Eye degeneration is caused by apoptosis of the embryonic lens, and transplanting a surface fish embryonic lens into a cavefish optic cup can restore a complete eye. Here we show that sonic hedgehog (shh) and tiggy-winkle hedgehog (twhh) gene expression is expanded along the anterior embryonic midline in several different cavefish populations. The expansion of hh signalling results in hyperactivation of downstream genes, lens apoptosis and arrested eye growth and development. These features can be mimicked in surface fish by twhh and/or shh overexpression, supporting the role of hh signalling in the evolution of cavefish eye regression.
So it transpires that if you transplant an embryonic lens taken from a surface-dwelling Astyanax mexicanus with normal eyes into the optic cup of an embryonic blind cavefish, normal eye development resumes. Interesting is it not? And, by manipulating the shh and twhh gene expression in surface-dwelling eyed fishes during embryonic development, the scientists were able to reproduce the eye apoptosis seen in the cave dwelling fishes.
An additional paper (downloadable in full from here) is this one:
Early and Late Changes in Pax6 Experession Accompany Eye Degeneration During Blind Cavefish Development by Allen G. Strickler, Yoshiyuki Yamamoto and William R. Jeffery, Development, Genes & Evolution, 211(3): 138-144 (March 2001)
in which the role of the Pax6 gene (which is common to eye development across a wide range of organisms) is examined with respect to the differences in development between the surface-dwelling form of Astyanax mexicanus and the cave-dwelling forms.
From here, you can download the following paper:
Eyed Cave Fish In A Karst Window by Luis Espinasa and Richard Borowsky, Journal of Cave and Karst Studies, 62(3): 180-183 (2000)
which describes the co-existence of eyed and eyeless forms in a cave with a karst window, and the abstract makes VERY interesting reading indeed - namely:
We considered four hypotheses for the origin of Caballo Moro eyed cave fish. The RAPD data rule out that the mixed population represents a transitional stage of evolution, or that the eyed fish are unmodified surface immigrants. We cannot rule out that the eyed fish are the direct descendants of surface fish that have acquired markers from blind fish by hybridization, although the apparent distinctness of the two sub-populations suggests otherwise. An alternative hypothesis, that the eyed fish of the cave are direct descendants of blind cave fish that re-acquired eyes with the opening of the karst window, is consistent
with the data and tentatively accepted.
So here, we have the first cited evidence that when a blind cave population was, by a serendipitous accident, granted readmission to daytime light sources, some of the blind cave fishes regained their eyes over time.
Indeed, I'll cover this paper in more detail, as it makes interesting reading to put it mildly. The paper opens as follows:
So, there exists a cave in Mexico called Caballo Moro, that has a karst window admitting light, and within this cave, within reach of the light admitted by the karst window, there is a population of Astyanax mexicanus. This population contains fishes that have lost their eyes, conforming to the phenotype that was once described via the taxon Anophthichthys jordani, that taxon now recognised as a junior ynonym of Astyanax mexicanus. However, the population contains fishes with functioning eyes. It is tempting to think that the eyed fishes are members of a surface-dwelling population that have become intermingled with the cave fishes, and, courtesy of still having access to light, retained their eyes. The population genetics of Astyanax mexicanus have been extensively studied, and as a consequence, a great deal is known about the surface-dwelling and cave-dwelling populations of these fishes, including the fact that there exist distinct genetic markers for distinct populations, allowing scientists to alight upon the fact that the eye-loss phenotype has arisen in multiple separate populations independently, via a range of acquired mutations. The relevant paper containing evidence for this is one I've already cited above, namely:
Evidence For Multiple Genetic Forms With Similar Eyeless Phenotypes In The Blind Cavefish, Astyanax mexicanus by Thomas E. Dowling, David P. Martasian and William R. Jeffery, Molecular & Biological Evolution, 19(4): 446-455 (2002)
I'll leave that paper aside for the moment, as I've dealt with it elsewhere in the past, and can always return to it in detail in another post. However, that paper establishes that different cave populations of Astyanax mexicanus possess an eyeless phenotype arising via different sets of mutations in the genes responsible for eye development (namely Pax6, shh and twhh, about which I have posted in the past, including the paper covering Pax6 as a master gene in eye development). Likewise, populations of the surface dwelling eyed phenotype have genetic markers identifying them as belonging to particular populations, where those populations experience little or no gene flow with other populations, and consequently, the provenance of a fish can be determined with reasonable precision by appropriate genetic analysis. The authors of the paper I am covering here have established that the eyed phenotype fishes in the Caballo Moro karst window cave possess genetic markers identifying them as having derived from ancestral eyeless stock. Which means that these fishes had eyeless ancestors, and consequently regained functioning eyes once light was present.
So, it remains to cover the present paper in more detail, and examine the evidence presented therein. Let's do that shall we?
And thus, the groundwork is laid for what follows. Namely, that there is no obvious source of eyed fishes from surface or epigean populations, with the cave running for 11 Km underground, without capturing a surface stream between the cave's entrance pit and the karst window illuminating the population of interest. Moreover, the nearest population of epigean fishes is 4 Km distant from the cave, and there is no obvious connection between the body of water containing that epigean population, and the mixed population of fishes in the karst window lake, which comprises a mixture of epigean and hypogean (cave-phenotype) fishes. So, the possibilities are:
[1] The epigean phenotype fishes (possessing pigmentation and functional eyes) are a recent arrival, courtesy of an as yet unknown connection between the cave system and a surface body of water supplying these fishes;
[2] The epigean phenotype fishes have coexisted with the hypogean phenotype (eyeless and depigmented) fishes for an extended period of time with little or no interbreeding;
[3] The epigean phenotype fishes have arisen from hypogean ancestors.
[1] is considered unlikely by the authors, given the known geography of the cave system, but is required to be ruled out evidentially. [2] poses problems with respect to the appearance of an isolating mechanism between the two phenotypes, given that prior breeding experiments have established that epigean and hypogean fishes are capable of mating and producing offspring. [3], meanwhile, would provide an extremely interesting example of evolution reversing a character change that had previously occurred in these fishes, but requires evidential support before the postulate can be considered valid. So, let's see what the authors discovered upon further analysis! First, the authors outline their experimental procedures:
Now, comes the analytical results!
Indeed, the accompanying figure is quite impressive (see Table 1 charting the RAPD bands for the various populations). The Caballo Moro fishes are manifestly members of a well-defined and genetically distinct grouping, exhibit a well-defined clustering of bands from the DNA analysis that are only partially shared with individuals from the Molino and Vasquez caves (the other two cave populations sampled), and there are marked differences between the Río Frío, Río Boquillas and Rio Comandante fishes and those from Caballo Moro.
Moving on:
Basically, the above tests establish that the Caballo Moro fish form a genetically distinct group, and that furthermore, there exists an interesting set of relations between the eyed and eyeless fishes, which closely matches that of a Monte Carlo simulation of the emergence of eyed and eyeless fishes in that group.
With that, it's time to move on to the authors' discussion of their results:
Now the authors are being appropriately cautious here, with respect to the data that they have obtained, but, that data is more consistent with the hypothesis of the eyed fishes of Caballo Moro having arisen from eyeless ancestors, than it is with competing hypotheses. Which means, if confirmed by more in-depth study involving larger data sets, that the eyed specimens of Astyanax mexicanus resident in the Caballo Moro karst window lake are fishes that have regained functional eyes, courtesy of appropriate mutations being positively selected for in their lineage. It would be interesting to examine the genetic data for the Pax6, shh and twhh genes for these fishes, as, given their known role in the appearance of the eyeless phenotype in other hypogean lineages of Astyanax mexicanus.
Now, aside from the fact that the above refutes wholesale any notion that selection cannot affect the dissemination of particular genes, or shape the inheritance thereof (which as susu.exp has already noted on numerous occasions elsewhere, is based upon a singularly woeful lack of understanding of basic biology - some critics of evolution apparently hasn't heard of meiosis, apart from anything else), the above findings also drive a tank battalion through creationist quote mining of Crow's paper, because here we have an instance of purported 'genetic deterioration' being thrown into full reverse by evolutionary processes, something which creationist assertions about "genomic entropy" claim simply cannot happen. Once again, the real world demonstrates that blind creationist assertion is nothing more than that - blind assertion.
So, looks like the evidence for the active evolution of these fishes is pretty compelling. :)
Meanwhile, it's time to move on from the blind cave fishes somewhat, and concentrate upon Pax6. The papers extant in this area are very interesting. Indeed, as if yet more evidence for the importance of Pax6 was needed, [here is the Ensembl page covering the Pax6 gene and the oculorhombin protein that it codes for. That page notes that the following diseases are caused by mutations in Pax6:
[1] Aniridia type II - partial or complete absence of the iris, absence of the fovea and malformations of the lens (among other structural malformations). Approximately 67% of these defects are familial, and the inheritance mechanism is autosomal dominant;
[2] Peter's Anomaly - the site describes this condition thus:
[quote]Peter's anomaly consists of a central corneal leukoma, absence of the posterior corneal stroma and descemet membrane, and a variable degree of iris and lenticular attachments to the central aspect of the posterior cornea.[/quote]
In other words, more severe eye defects;
[3] Ectopia pupillae - failure of the pupil to be properly centred;
[4] Foveal hypoplasia - failure of the fovea to develop fully during embryogenesis, inheritance again autosomal dominant;
[5] Autosomal dominant keratitis - opacity of the cornea with accompanying vascularisation, often associated with foveal hypoplasia above;
[6] Ocular coloboma - abnormal development of the optic cup and stalk, accompanied by holes appearing in various eye structures;
[7] Bilateral optic nerve hypoplasia - failure of the optic nerve to develop properly, again with autosomal dominant inheritance;
Here's the human Pax6 gene, formatted using my nice Visual Basic applet:
ATGCAGAACA GTCACAGCGG AGTGAATCAG CTCGGTGGTG TCTTTGTCAA CGGGCGGCCA 60
CTGCCGGACT CCACCCGGCA GAAGATTGTA GAGCTAGCTC ACAGCGGGGC CCGGCCGTGC 120
GACATTTCCC GAATTCTGCA GGTGTCCAAC GGATGTGTGA GTAAAATTCT GGGCAGGTAT 180
TACGAGACTG GCTCCATCAG ACCCAGGGCA ATCGGTGGTA GTAAACCGAG AGTAGCGACT 240
CCAGAAGTTG TAAGCAAAAT AGCCCAGTAT AAGCGGGAGT GCCCGTCCAT CTTTGCTTGG 300
GAAATCCGAG ACAGATTACT GTCCGAGGGG GTCTGTACCA ACGATAACAT ACCAAGCGTG 360
TCATCAATAA ACAGAGTTCT TCGCAACCTG GCTAGCGAAA AGCAACAGAT GGGCGCAGAC 420
GGCATGTATG ATAAACTAAG GATGTTGAAC GGGCAGACCG GAAGCTGGGG CACCCGCCCT 480
GGTTGGTATC CGGGGACTTC GGTGCCAGGG CAACCTACGC AAGATGGCTG CCAGCAACAG 540
GAAGGAGGGG GAGAGAATAC CAACTCCATC AGTTCCAACG GAGAAGATTC AGATGAGGCT 600
CAAATGCGAC TTCAGCTGAA GCGGAAGCTG CAAAGAAATA GAACATCCTT TACCCAAGAG 660
CAAATTGAGG CCCTGGAGAA AGAGTTTGAG AGAACCCATT ATCCAGATGT GTTTGCCCGA 720
GAAAGACTAG CAGCCAAAAT AGATCTACCT GAAGCAAGAA TACAGGTATG GTTTTCTAAT 780
CGAAGGGCCA AATGGAGAAG AGAAGAAAAA CTGAGGAATC AGAGAAGACA GGCCAGCAAC 840
ACACCTAGTC ATATTCCTAT CAGCAGTAGT TTCAGCACCA GTGTCTACCA ACCAATTCCA 900
CAACCCACCA CACCGGTTTC CTCCTTCACA TCTGGCTCCA TGTTGGGCCT AACAGACACA 960
GCCCTCACAA ACACCTACAG CGCTCTGCCG CCTATGCCCA GCTTCACCAT GGCAAATAAC 1020
CTGCCTATGC AACCCCCAGT CCCCAGCCAG ACCTCCTCAT ACTCCTGCAT GCTGCCCACC 1080
AGCCCTTCGG TGAATGGGCG GAGTTATGAT ACCTACACCC CCCCACATAT GCAGACACAC 1140
ATGAACAGTC AGCCAATGGG CACCTCGGGC ACCACTTCAA CAGGACTCAT TTCCCCTGGT 1200
GTGTCAGTTC CAGTTCAAGT TCCCGGAAGT GAACCTGATA TGTCTCAATA CTGGCCAAGA 1260
TTACAGTAA 1269
Here's the protein it codes for, again nicely formatted using my applet:
MQNSHSGVNQLGGVFVNGRP
LPDSTRQKIVELAHSGARPC
DISRILQVSNGCVSKILGRY
YETGSIRPRAIGGSKPRVAT
PEVVSKIAQYKRECPSIFAW
EIRDRLLSEGVCTNDNIPSV
SSINRVLRNLASEKQQMGAD
GMYDKLRMLNGQTGSWGTRP
GWYPGTSVPGQPTQDGCQQQ
EGGGENTNSISSNGEDSDEA
QMRLQLKRKLQRNRTSFTQE
QIEALEKEFERTHYPDVFAR
ERLAAKIDLPEARIQVWFSN
RRAKWRREEKLRNQRRQASN
TPSHIPISSSFSTSVYQPIP
QPTTPVSSFTSGSMLGLTDT
ALTNTYSALPPMPSFTMANN
LPMQPPVPSQTSSYSCMLPT
SPSVNGRSYDTYTPPHMQTH
MNSQPMGTSGTTSTGLISPG
VSVPVQVPGSEPDMSQYWPR
LQ Ochre
(The legend "Ochre" at the end refers to the fact that the gene ends with an Ochre stop codon, TAA - no amino acid is coded for by this codon).
It's instructive to look at some variants for this gene. Here's one associated with Aniridia Type II:
TATCGATAAG TTTTTTTTTT ATTGTCAATC TCTGTCTCCT TCCCAGGAAT CTGAGGATTG 60
CTCTTACACA CCAACCCAGC AACATCCGTG GAGAAAACTC TCACCAGCAA CTCCTTTAAA 120
ACACCGTCAT TTCAAACCAT TGTGGTCTTC AAGCAACAAC AGCAGCACAA AAAACCCCAA 180
CCAAACAAAA CTCTTGACAG AAGCTGTGAC AACCAGAAAG GATGCCTCAT AAAGGGGGAA 240
GACTTTAACT AGGGGCGCGC AGATGTGTGA GGCCTTTTAT TGTGAGAGTG GACAGACATC 300
CGAGATTTCA GAGCCCCATA TTCGAGCCCC GTGGAATCCC GCGGCCCCCA GCCAGAGCCA 360
GCATGCAGAA CAGTCACAGC GGAGTGAATC AGCTCGGTGG TGTCTTTGTC AACGGGCGGC 420
CACTGCCGGA CTCCACCCGG CAGAAGATTG TAGAGCTAGC TCACAGCGGG GCCCGGCCGT 480
GCGACATTTC CCGAATTCTG CAGGTGTCCA ACGGATGTGT GAGTAAAATT CTGGGCAGGT 540
ATTACGAGAC TGGCTCCATC AGACCCAGGG CAATCGGTGG TAGTAAACCG AGAGTAGCGA 600
CTCCAGAAGT TGTAAGCAAA ATAGCCCAGT ATAAGCGGGA GTGCCCGTCC ATCTTTGCTT 660
GGGAAATCCG AGACAGATTA CTGTCCGAGG GGGTCTGTAC CAACGATAAC ATACCAAGCG 720
TGTCATCAAT AAACAGAGTT CTTCGCAACC TGGCTAGCGA AAAGCAACAG ATGGGCGCAG 780
ACGGCATGTA TGATAAACTA AGGATGTTGA ACGGGCAGAC CGGAAGCTGG GGCACCCGCC 840
CTGGTTGGTA TCCGGGGACT TCGGTGCCAG GGCAACCTAC GCAAGATGGC TGCCAGCAAC 900
AGGAAGGAGG GGGAGAGAAT ACCAACTCCA TCAGTTCCAA CGGAGAAGAT TCAGATGAGG 960
CTCAAATGCG ACTTCAGCTG AAGCGGAAGC TGCAAAGAAA TAGAACATCC TTTACCCAAG 1020
AGCAAATTGA GGCCCTGGAG AAAGAGTTTG AGAGAACCCA TTATCCAGAT GTGTTTGCCC 1080
GAGAAAGACT AGCAGCCAAA ATAGATCTAC CTGAAGCAAG AATACAGGTA TGGTTTTCTA 1140
ATCGAAGGGC CAAATGGAGA AGAGAAGAAA AACTGAGGAA TCAGAGAAGA CAGGCCAGCA 1200
ACACACCTAG TCATATTCCT ATCAGCAGTA GTTTCAGCAC CAGTGTCTAC CAACCAATTC 1260
CACAACCCAC CACACCGGTT TCCTCCTTCA CATCTGGCTC CATGTTGGGC CTAACAGACA 1320
CAGCCCTCAC AAACACCTAC AGCGCTCTGC CGCCTATGCC CAGCTTCACC ATGGCAAATA 1380
ACCTGCCTAT GCAACCCCCA GTCCCCAGCC AGACCTCCTC ATACTCCTGC ATGCTGCCCA 1440
CCAGCCCTTC GGTGAATGGG CGGAGTTATG ATACCTACAC CCCCCCACAT ATGCAGACAC 1500
ACATGAACAG TCAGCCAATG GGCACCTCGG GCACCACTTC AACAGGACTC ATTTCCCCTG 1560
GTGTGTCAGT TCCAGTTCAA GTTCCCGGAA GTGAACCTGA TATGTCTCAA TACTGGCCAA 1620
GATTACAGTA AAAAAAAAAA AAA 1643
Now already we know something is wrong here because the gene is a different size. But the BIG surprise is what happens when we look at the protein it codes for ...
YR Ochre
Oops. MAJOR malfunction here!
Basically, this mutant form of the gene fails to code for a working protein full stop. The transcription process hits an Ochre stop codon at the third coding triplet.
Furthermore, the extant online gene databases inform me that there are variations as follows associated with Peter's Anomaly:
[1] Substitution of codon triplet for W (tryptophan) replacing G (glycine) at codon position 18 (bp 52-54);
[2] Subsititution of codon triplet for R (arginine) replacing G (glycine) at codon position 26 (bp 76-78);
[3] Substitution of codon triplet for V (valine) replacing D (aspartic acid) at codon position 53 (bp 157-159) - found principally in Japanese human lineages manifesting the disease (ethnospecific), also associated with congenital cataract and foveal hypoplasia in affected individuals;
[4] Substitution of codon triplet for S (serine) replacing P (proline) at codon position 363 (bp 727-729);
So, it looks once again as if real science knows a LOT more about eye evolution than mendacious propagandists for creationist fantasies dare to even imagine it is possible to know.
Meanwhile, I'll also reprise this material - apologies if I repeat citations of papers cited above here:
Adaptive Evolution of Eye Degeneration in the Mexican Blind Cavefish by W. R. Jeffrey, journal of Heredity, 96(3): 185-196 (Jan 2005) - explains how selection is a key factor in the evolution of eye degeneration in cave fishes
Cavefish as a Model System in Evolutionary Developmental Biology by William R. Jeffrey, Developmental Biology, 231:, 1-12 (1 Mar 2001) - contains experimental tests of hypotheses about eye evolution
Hedgehog Signalling Controls Eye Degeneration in Blind Cavefish by Yoshiyuki Yamamoto, David W. Stock and William R. Jeffery, Nature, 431: 844-847 (14 Oct 2004) - direct experimental test of theories about eye evolution and the elucidation of the controlling genes involved
The Master Control Gene For Morphogenesis And Evolution Of The Eye by Walter J. Gehrig, Genes to Cells, 1: 11-15, 1996 - direct experimental test of hypotheses concerning eye evolution including the elucidation of the connection between the Droso gene and eye morphogenesis, and the experimental manipulation of that gene to control eye development
Why cavefish are blind by Natasha .M. Tian & David .J. Price, Bioessays, 27: 235-238 (Mar 2005) - also reports on the connection between the Pax6 and hedgehog signalling genes and how these are subject to selection over time
Let's have a look at some of the contents of those papers shall we?
Oh dear. The hard evidence from the real world supports evolution. Let's look at the next paper:
Oh look. More hard evidence from the real world supporting eye evolution. Namely that:
[1] Different cave fish populations evolved the eye apoptosis mechanism independently, and have different mutations coding for this;
[2] Other senses, particularly those connected with feeding efficiency, are enhanced in the blind cave populations of Astyanax mexicanus, and the underlying genetic mechanism for this is being elucidated, with special reference to the Prox 1 gene;
[3] In embryonic fishes, eye formation begins normally, but then undergoes reversal because of cell apoptosis controlled by signalling from the lens tissues, and experimental transplantation of a normal lens from a sighted embryo into an optic cup belonging to a cave dwelling embryo results in the restoration of normal eye formation;
[4] The genes involved in this process are now known, and the Pax6 gene, which has been demonstrated experimentally to be the master control gene for eye morphogenesis, is involved in the differential formation of eyes in cave dwelling Astyanax mexicanus populations.
However, one of the best papers I can present is this - the very paper that supports the statement I have just made above about the role of Pax6, namely:
The Master Control Gene For Morphgenesis And Evolution Of The Eye by Walter J. Gehrig, Genes To Cells, 1: 11-15, 1996.
I quote:
However, the best part is when we look at the article in detail ...
Oh dear. We know rather more about the genetic processes involved in eye formation and evolution than creationists think. The requisite genes, as I've already established above, are found right across a hole brace of animal phyla from flatworms to mammals, including you and I. And, that knowledge was derived by direct manipulation in the laboratory of the requisite genes, to determine how they work.
One question I've never seen creationists answer with a substantive answer (as opposed to vacuous apologetics) is this: why has their magic man chose to produce cave fishes that have all the genetic and molecular machinery for eye formation, which initiates normal eye development to begin with but then goes into reverse, and moreover exhibit different mutations for this in different populations? If their magic man knew that these fishes were going to end up in caves, why bother giving them the genetic and molecular machinery for eyes in the first place? Bit of a cock up there, creating these fishes in such a manner as to provide evidence for evolution.
Also, I'm reminded of the following video clip (with bonus appearance by Stephen Jay Gould):
Gould On eye evolution
Note that all of the postulated intermediate stages exist in real living organisms today.
I think this should cover all of the relevant scientific bases with respect to eye evolution and the role of specific genes therein.
So, having dealt with that assertion, let's move on ...
BZZZT! ERROR!
The emergence of the first ancestral genetic sequences is covered more than adequately by the abiogenesis literature, which includes dozens of papers on RNA synthesis and subsequent conversion to DNA. Here's a sample list of papers covering prebiotic RNA synthesis:
Autocatalytic Aptazymes Enable Ligand-Dependent Exponential Amplification Of RNA by Bianca J. Lam and Gerald F. Joyce, Nature Biotechnology, 27(3): 288-292 (March 2009)
Catalysis In Prebiotic Chemistry: Application To The Synthesis Of RNA Oligomers by James P. Ferris, Prakash C. Joshi, K-J Wang, S. Miyakawa and W. Huang, Advances in Space Research, 33: 100-105 (2004)
Cations As Mediators Of The Adsorption Of Nucleic Acids On Clay Surfaces In Prebiotic Environments by Marco Franchi, James P. Ferris and Enzo Gallori, Origins of Life and Evolution of the Biosphere, 33: 1-16 (2003)
Darwinian Evolution On A Chip by Brian M. Paegel and Gerald F. Joyce, Public Library of Science Biology, 6(4): e85 (April 2008)
Emergence Of A Replicating Species From An In Vitro RNA Evolution Reaction by Ronald R. Breaker and Gerald F. Joyce, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the USA, 91: 6093-6097 (June 1994)
Enzymatic Synthesis Of DNA On Glycerol Nucleic Acid Templates Without Stable Duplex Formation Between Product And Template by Ching-Hsuan Tasi, Jingyang Chen and Jack W. Szostak, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the USA, 104(37): 14598-14603 (11th September 2007)
Homochiral Selection In The Montmorillonite-Catalysed And Uncatalysed Prebiotic Synthesis Of RNA by Prakash C. Joshi, Stefan Pitsch and James P. Ferris, Chemical Communications (Royal Society of Chemistry), 2497-2498 (2000) [DOI: 10.1039/b007444f]
Mineral Catalysis And Prebiotic Synthesis: Montmorillonite-Catalysed Formation Of RNA by James P. Ferris, Elements, 1: 145-149 (June 2005)
Mineral Surface Directed Membrane Assembly by Martyn M. Hanczyc, Sheref S. Mansy and Jack W. Szostak, Origins of Life and Evolution of Biospheres, 37(1): 67-82 (February 2007)
Montmorillonite Catalysis Of 30-50 Mer Oligonucleotides: Laboratory Demonstration Of Potential Steps In The Origin Of The RNA World by James P. Ferris, Origins of Life and Evolution of the biosphere, 32: 311-332 (2002)
Montmorillonite Catalysis Of RNA Oligomer Formation In Aqueous Solution: A Model For The Prebiotic Formation Of RNA by James P. Ferris and Gözen Ertem, Journal of the American Chemical Society, 115: 12270-12275 (1993)
Montmorillonite-Catalysed Formation Of RNA Oligomers: The Possible Role Of Catalysis In The Origins Of Life by James P. Ferris, Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society Part B, 361: 1777-1786 (7th September 2006)
Nucelotide Synthetase Ribozymes May Have Emerged First In The RNA World by Wentao Ma, Chunwu Yu, Wentao Zhang and Jiming Hu, The RNA Journal, 13: 2012-2019, 18th September 2007
Prebiotic Chemistry And The Origin Of The RNA World by Leslie E. Orgel, Critical Reviews in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, 39: 99-123 (2004)
Ribozymes: Building The RNA World by Gerald F. Joyce, Current Biology, 6(8): 965-967, 1996
RNA-Catalysed Nucleotide Synthesis by Peter J. Unrau and David P. Bartel, Nature, 395: 260-263 (17th September 1998)
RNA-Catalyzed RNA Polymerization: Accurate and General RNA-Templated Primer Extension by Wendy K. Johnston, Peter J. Unrau, Michael S. Lawrence, Margaret E. Glasner and David P. Bartel, Science, 292: 1319-1325, 18th May 2001
RNA-Directed Amino Acid Homochirality by J. Martyn Bailey, FASEB Journal (Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology), 12: 503-507 (1998)
RNA Evolution And The Origin Of Life by Gerald F. Joyce, Nature, 338: 217-224 (16th March 1989)
Self-Sustained Replication Of An RNA Enzyme by Tracey A. Lincoln and Gerald F. Joyce, ScienceExpress, DOI: 10.1126/science.1167856 (8th January 2009)
Single-Molecule Imaging Of An In Vitro Evolved RNA Aptamer Reveals Homogeneous Ligand Binding Kinetics by Mark P. Elenko, jack W. Szostak and Antoine M. van Oijen, Journal of the American Chemical Society, 131: 9866-9867 (2009)
Synthesis Of 35-40 Mers Of RNA Oligomers From Unblocked Monomers. A Simple Approach To The RNA World by Wenhua Huang and James P. Ferris, Chemical Communications of the Royal Society of Chemistry, 1458-1459 (2003)
Synthesis Of Long Prebiotic Oligomers On Mineral Surfaces by James P. Ferris, Aubrey R. Hill Jr, Rihe Liu and Leslie E. Orgel, Nature, 381: 59-61 (2nd May 1996)
Template-Directed Synthesis Of A Genetic Polymer In A Model Protocell by Sheref S. Mansy, Jason P. Schrum, Mathangi Krisnamurthy, Sylvia Tobé, Douglas A. Treco and Jack W. Szostak, Nature, 454: 122-125 (4th June 2008)
The Antiquity Of RNA-Based Evolution by Gerald F. Joyce, Nature, 418: 214-221, 11th July 2002
The Roads To And From The RNA World by Jason P. Dworkin, Antonio Lazcano and Stanley L. Miller, Journal of Theoretical Biology, 222: 127-134 (2003)
Transcription And Translation In An RNA World by William R. Taylor, Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society Part B, 361: 1689-1702 (11th September 2006)
So, even though my list of papers on this topic is incomplete, I can still bring 27 peer reviewed papers to the table to discuss this topic, and if required, provide detailed expositions thereof. Looks like another of your assertions has just died a death.
Moving on ...
Again this is bullshit. Oh wait, I have 31 papers covering morphogenesis alone in my collection, including papers devoted to the contribution made to this topic by Alan Turing, and his reaction-diffusion model, which has been used successfully to replicate the emergence of butterfly wing patterns. I'll leave a full exposition of that lot for another time.
Apparently you are unaware of the literature extant on model protocells and their synthesis. I have 47 papers devoted to this topic in my collection. Which shall I bring here first?
Oh dear. Apparently you're unaware that the first cells WERE haploid. And that the modern mechanism for sexual differentiation has simpler antecdents, which are still present in yeasts. Which regularly switch between haploid and diploid forms. Shall I bring the full exposition on yeast sex here for you to read?
The same mechanisms that drove endosymbiosis?
Apparently you're unaware of the experimental recreation of mulicellularity from a single celled ancestor documented in this paper:
Phagotrophy By A Flagellate Selects For Colonial Prey: A Possible Origin Of Multicellularity by Martin.E. Boraas, Dianne.B. Seale and Joseph .E. Boxhorn, Evolutionary Ecology 12(2): 153-164 (February 1998 ) [Full paper downloadable from here]
Let's take a look at the contents of this paper shall we?
Take a look at that. A previously unicellular organism, that had remained unicellular for thousands of generations, became multicellular when a predation selection process was applied, and retained its new, multicellular form whilst subject to said predation. Moreover, the process eventually stabilised at the colony size that was optimally balanced between resistance to predation and access to surrounding nutrients in its aquatic environment.
The transition from unicellularity to multicellularity is the first postulated step in the process leading to the production of new phyla. This process has been experimentally observed, as the above paper documents. The experiments in question are reliably repeatable with any Chlorella vulgaris colony.
Let's take a look at the paper in detail, shall we?
Oh look. Once again, we see the establishment of new trophic niches as a driving factor in speciation. As has been observed elsewhere with, for example, Rhagoletis pomonella, a Dipteran insect that underwent a speciation event as a result of trophic migration (switching to a new larval food supply) followed by assortative mating amongst the resulting adults. In the case of this insect, the original population extant in North America fed upon hawthorn fruits, but upon the introduction of apple trees by humans, some of these insects switched to apples. Those insects that switched to apples assortatively mated, only mating with other apple-feeding members of the population, and likewise, those insects that remained feeding upon hawthorns only mated with other hawthorn-feeding insects. Thus an behavioural isolation barrier preventing gene flow between the two populations arose, and the two populations diverged to the point of producing an incipient speciation event. The parasites that attack Rhagoletis pomonella are also exhibiting the same divergence: those parasitising apple-feeding fly larvae do not interbreed with those parasitising hawthorn-feeding fly larvae, which means that trh trophic migration of some individuals of Rhagoletis pomonella is driving sympatric speciation in several different insect species. But I digress, and need to return to papers on Rhagoletis pomonella at a later stage. Let's continue with Boraas and the Chlorella experiments in the meantime:
So, the Chlorella cells in this experiment transitioned from being unicellular to multicellular whilst subject to the relevant predation pressure. During the initial transitional phase, colonies of disparate sizes were observed, but colonies containing large aggregates of cells eventually disappeared, and the steady-state achieved at the end of the experiment consisted of 8-cell colonies. This 8-cell conformation allows each cell to have a maximum surface area available for the absorption of nutrients to power photosynthesis, but renders the colony too large for the predator to consume by its usual means. Larger cell conformations are even more resilient to predation, but have lower per-cell surface area available for nutrient absorption. Which means that the conformation was driven by two selection pressures, one defined by predation, one defined by the trophic requirements of the Chlorella cells, and eventually, the culture stabilised upon a conformation that optimised the performance of those colonies with respect to the two selection pressures.
Moving on:
,blockquote>Observations of predation events
In our video microscopy observations of predation events between Ochromonas and Chlorella, unicells and `neonatal' colonies were eaten. Although the typical feeding behaviours were expressed on unicells and small colonies (Boraas et al., 1992), the O. vallescia failed to ingest fully grown colonies larger than about 15 μm. The smaller of the young or `neonatal' colonies (10-12 μm), about the size of the eight-celled `buds' in Fig. 1a, could be ingested. Flagellates with food vacuoles containing a single `neonatal' colony were seen on occasion, but this vulnerable size class was rare in the cultures. The `young' colonies rapidly grew to full size by increasing individual cell volumes.
Oh look. Another response to the predation selection pressure - rapid growth of cells to ensure that the colony became immune to predation. Nice.
So, we have detailed observations of the appearance of a multicellular organism from one that was previously unicellular. Moreover, those observations include detailed analysis of the physical mechanisms by which the organisms can become multicellular.
Moving on:
So, the authors tested to see if an alternative hypothesis accounted for the observed results, and determined four reasons why that alternative hypothesis was not supported. Once again, real scientists doing what they do best - learn about reality.
The conclusions are lengthy, and so I shall concentrate on the important parts. Since I've already provided a link to the full paper, the full conclusions are readily readable by anyone taking the trouble to download the paper. Here's the important parts:
Well look at that ... I anticipated the last paragraph reproduced above. But then that's what comes when one pays attention in biology classes.
Continuing the important part of the conclusions:
I'll skip the rest of your Gish Gallop in the interests of brevity.
They have answers for questions you were incapable of even fantasising about.
I suspect this will suffice for the time being ...
A truly massive argument from ignorance, doubled bay an argument from incredulity then the bible is true... truly astounding and worthy of an intelligent and meaningful conversation.
Looks like the OP might be a drive by pigeon chess player.
He knocked the pieces over, crapped on the board, and flew back to its flock to claim victory.
...and you thought you would tell atheists on atheist forum beeecaaaause?
Let's try this, how many scientific facts apart from evolution that in no way contradict your superstitious religious beliefs do you deny?
Busted......creatards make the worst trolls.
Science has evidenced species evolution through natural selection beyond any reasonable or rational doubt, all the evidence globally from over 160 years of rigorous scientific scrutiny supports it, if you have a problem with this take it up with science, instead of having a tantrum with atheists on the internet. Creationism is not supported by any objective evidence, and this will remain a fact independently of the fact of evolution, what you have produced is a known logical fallacy called a false dichotomy, or false equivalence.
So this was another drive by theist troll, quelle surprise.
Nothing on any news network that evolution has been falsified?
Shouldn't Breezy have published his paper by now?
I believe the correct phrase is represented as PMLMAO...
Breezy was funny mind, for a creatard I mean, you have to give him that, albeit unintentionally.
Meanwhile, a recent development published in Science is interesting with respect to this thread ... namely, the discovery that if you put the eggs of Xenopus laevis frogs in an ultrasound blender, so that the cells are completely disrupted, and then leave the resulting emulsion standing, the emulsion re-organises itself into recognisable cells, which then continue dividing once they've re-formed.
Furthermore, this process can take place in the presence of chemicals that inhibit several of the known regenerative processes previously found to be in operation in Xenopus egg cells.
Cali: How is it you find time to spend on a simple atheist site? Your lucidity is unparalleled and your compendious style, always a pleasure to read. I imagine individuals with such eloquence to be frequenting the halls of their very own atheist pages, traveling, lecturing, writing books or otherwise engaged in the betterment of mankind on this little blue ball. You make me feel like I should have paid more attention in English class.
If evolution is a scam, that crime has involved every university with a biology department for over 100 years. Who's coordinating this vast conspiracy, and for whose benefit? I just can't any way to profit from this so-called scam.
On the other hand, a lot of money has changed hands as a result of creationist nonsense, most notably that monstrous boat in Kentucky. If you want to find a scam, follow the money.
Precisely, cue another unevidenced theist assertion for an invisible nefarious demon called Satan.
> (2) What later caused some of these self-replicating cells to abandon their diploid way of life and suddenly change to become haploid cells (meiotic cell division)—an event that make sexual reproduction to be possible— ?
Since we have no fossilized vestiges that is remained of the very first replicator, we have some good speculations only. But that does not mean scientists cannot recreate DNA in future for demonstrating --'how life has arisen'. If we do not know anything, that does not mean 'your God did it'. You can put million number of conceivable things instead of God. Thus, the probability of God's existence is barely 0.000001. (as 1/million= 0.000001)
> ( 3) What later caused two of these haploid cells to start fusing with one another during sexual reproduction in order to restore their original diploid state ( fertilization) ?
Meiosis is the process that divides cells and reduces chromosomes' numbers (in parent cells) to 1/2. The chromosomes restored when egg and sperm combine and create a single cell.
> (4) What later caused this fused cell (called zygote) to multiply and form a compact ball of similar cells (mitotic cell division) ?
> (5) What later caused this compact ball of similar cells to "differentiate" and "specalize" to form different types of cell (like bone cells, muscle cells, blood cells, nerve cells, skin cells, cartilage cells, epithelial cells, endothelia cells, liver cells, kidney cells, brain cells, retinal cells etc) using a complex cascade of genetic program known as developmental gene regulatory network (dGRN) ( cellular differentiation) ?
Both were caused by 'cell fusion'. Cell fusion is a process that is known for combining many single nucleus cells into a multi-nuclear cell.
> (6) What if the similar ball of cells just continue to multiply (like what we observed with cancer cells ) and never stop to start differentiation process ?
If similar ball of cells continue to multiply and never quit to initialize differentiation process, then cells will not be able to manage their functions properly.
> (7) Besides, how did last ball of cell to multiply get to "know" that it is time to stop multiplication and start the differentiation process ?
It got to know thru embryogenesis. Embryogenesis is a process which helps to form and to develop embryo.
I cannot answer your all questions because I do not have 'that much time'. If I recall anything relevant to your questions' answer, I will edit this post.
@Sorrentino
In his book for the educated layman,"Endless Forms Most Beautiful" Sean B. Carroll tells the history of how we now understand how genes "know" when to start and stop specific protein and cell production and how mutations occur during the lifetime of any single organism. It is based on ongoing research from the 1950s after the double helix structure was understood which eventually revealed the existence of homeoboxes, or toolkits, as geneticists like to call them, with specific gene sequences that act like blueprints for how the genes determine the size shape and details of a developing organism through its lifetime.
The most surprising revelation of all is that every organism alive shares the same homeobox in their genes. From the bacteria Esherichia coli to elephants to humans, the homeotic toolkit shares the same features and operations in genetic management. This further supports the interrelated nature of all life and its shared origin. It is a must read for anyone like you Sorrentino to read and understand in honest pursuit of the workings and understanding of life.
OK great book. One thing it, or evolutionary research does not do, is disprove the existence of gods or the supernatural. That is not the purpose of science nor evolutionary research. (It is "E=mc 2" not "E=mc 2, there fore god does not exist".) Science is a strict self-correcting methodology (if a scientist is wrong, he will be told in no uncertain terms - scientists are empahtically strict on evidential proof). It does not claim understanding of all things and even holds what it has made understandable may yet prove incorrect or incomplete with new research and evidence.
However what evolutionary research has also not determined is that there is any singular godly guiding purpose behind the fact of life. Everything in modern evolutionary science is supported by the natural interactions of physics and chemistry. Nothing else is needed to explain how things operate. If the scientific explanation is not enough for the spiritually minded then by all means they can claim their god created everything with out explanation, including evolutuonary theory.
I have always thought that if there were an omnipotent god worthy of worship, evolution would be a far more appropriate display of divine power, than just making things appear, seemingly out of nothing, like some Vegas magician.
Its an impossible and pointless protest to discard evolutionary science. Evolution is a fact. Its not just part of the curriculum of biology, it IS biology. It is now the basis of our whole medical knowledge. What will you replace it with? Prayer and thoughts? We've already been there and it pointedly did not work. The standout issue of modern medicine is that viruses and bacteria EVOLVE and without the evolutionary research at the heart of modern medicine we would not have been able to deal with any of the viral epidemics or diseases that have afflicted mankind for the past 100 years. We all need to attempt to understand these processes that scientists have been unravelling to protect ourselves and to help us understand just how majestic this natural world is.
Perhaps you might channel some of the energy of your faith towards promoting better understanding and knowledge of this reality you believe is created, rather than seek to destroy it because it doesn't fit the stories of your single holy book, which has never been intended to be taken literally, only liturgically.
edited for errors caused because I can't control time
RE: Evolution is a scam.
Sorry I am late to the party. Evolution is a scam? Ha ha ha ha - give me a break. I just came from the annual Evolution Is Not a Scam Conference and Retreat in Lake Arrowhead California. Unless you change and evolve beyond little children you'll thwart the evolutionary process and your children and your children's children will revert to their apelike ways. If you do not repent you will be cast into the gene pool of ignorance and lost forever.
The wages of ignorance is de-evolution. If you do not turn from your faith you will de-evolve. You will become as apes. It's that simple, you either turn or you begin eating bananas.
Evolution so affected the world that it gave its only begotten species of apelike creatures the ability to generate self awareness and become the human species we know today. But humans in their ignorance sin against evolution and risk de-evolution. The path to the future is narrow and not all of us are going to make it. Embrace evolution as the truth today and save yourself and generations to come from becoming the feral beasts of the forest they once were. Assuming evolution to be non-scientific is just ignorance. Equating it with a region, doubly so. Believe now or risk becoming your ape like nature and destroying the lives of your own future generations.
And NOW, for a limited time only, you can get your very own, gold embossed, book of Darwin. Just reading this book will prove that your mind is developed enough to evolve. Be the first on your block to evolve to the next level. Be popular with your friends. All this can be yours for just $29.95. Hurry now why supplies last. Show everyone what an evolved creature you have become!
@Sorrentino -
Even if I believed that everything that you wrote is true & factual (I don't), it still doesn't prove 'creation' & a god did it.
You are relying on the fact that the average lay person will not have enough scientific knowledge in this area to know what you are talking about, & hopefully be dazzled by all the 'scientific sounding' terminology & jargon you are writing. I suspect that you also have no real idea what it all means, & are merely cutting & pasting from a creationist website.
Even if you could somehow prove that a 'god' did it, then you would still need to prove that the particular god that you believe in did it!
So even if you could prove that evolution is false (do so & you will no doubt become famous & make lots of money), you are still no closer to proving that whatever particular brand of religion that you believe in is also valid, out of the thousands of other religions that exist or existed!
Instead of wasting time on an atheist forum, why don't you do some proper research into your so-called 'theory of creation' & publish some papers in some credible scientific journals to have them peer-reviewed (when I say credible scientific journals, I am not talking about the creationist 'scientific' journals that have been setup by creationists to try to make creationists look more credible).
Maybe then we can start to take you more seriously!