This is meant for those of you who do not share your faith with others. This is simply an opinion of mine. This is not an absolute. My claim is this:
If you believe that your loved ones and the rest of humanity that fail to repent and trust in the Christ for the remission of their sins, will spend eternity in hell, then you are either lying, or you hate the people you fail to share this information with.
Think about eternity in hell. Now think about your family member or coworker or friend. Can you honestly tell me that you believe they are going to hell, and yet you don't plead with them?
Think about them burning in hell for 5 minutes, a month, a year. It hasn't even begun yet. It will never end. Ever. And you talk to them about Netflix shows and the weather?
I believe Ray Comfort truly does believe the Bible. that is why he spends every waking minute evangelizing everyone he knows. He's sincerely wrong, but I still respect him for actually believing what he preaches.
I highly suggest that majority of professing Christians do not truly believe in a literal hell.
Or you do believe it, but you want them to go hell (I doubt that though).
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OH NO! He mentioned the BANANA MAN!
I love this post. Love your family members enough to tell them that they are evil sinners and deserve their fate in hell if they do not repent and believe in the same god you believe in. Ha ha ha ha ha ha .......
Basically hate your family members until they repent and if they do not repent hate them even more because they deserve to burn in hell.
Reminds me of the Jesus knock knock joke.
Knock knock
Whose there?
Jesus
Jesus who?
Let me in/
Why?
So I can save you.
Save me from what?
From a special place burning with fire and brimstone where I will torture you forever and ever if you don't let me in.
Hell was a big part of my leaving the faith. That old joke is disturbing, but it's true.
He's a habitual liar.
Just a sample. Sentence 3 here, v.s. notes at bottom here. Fucker republished Darwin's work, with an introduction that there is was no evidence to support Darwin's claims, but deleted the sequential chapters that contain that evidence, then claimed he didn't delete them, then claimed he had to delete them to save money, but they were chosen at random for deletion! He's a snake oil salesman.
But in his defense: I've never met an apologist who wasn't.
Banana Man does not evangelize, he proselytizes. He DOES NOT preach. He attempts to "force" his beliefs onto others. An action that is condemnable under penalty of death in my Book of Laws.
As for Hell, I entirely believe in Hell. It makes the perfect "curse" word when an atheist uses it. Also it is offensive to Religious Absolutists when an atheist uses the word Hell. Yeah, I believe in Hell, but only as a word.
As far as being a place of torture and torment in the afterlife. Bullshit. Horse hoowhee. Pig manure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEmdNT1tEEw
rmfr
One of my defining arguments to the self-righteous who believe they are going to spend eternity in bliss is how can you be happy in that environment with full knowledge that people you cared about on earth are spending an eternity being tortured. There is no rational response to that, but then, there is no one rational who would believe the heaven and hell bullshit.
I believe that hell is happening right here, right now, right before our very eyes. I don't think anyone suffers through any pain that they did not intentionally cause to others. Otherwise it is not perfect justice (eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth- reap what you sow etc) We are here going through a series of lives designed to better us to the point where we are deserving of an eternal paradise.
@Senta Christine
A rather grim way of looking at life. I enjoy this one and only life I have evidence for. I do however feel like I continually better myself, I just do not need the "carrot on the stick" of heaven concept in the after life to better myself.
Also: I think the idea of some sort of god/cosmic justice system is a dangerous idea, if you operate under the assumption that there will always be some sort of "justice" in the end you set yourself up to be taken advantage of. It is far better to proactively protect yourself from injustices to yourself and those you care about, instead of just assuming it will all be made "right" in the end.
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It is the only way this universe could possibly be a fair place, and I refuse to believe that I live in a cruel, unfair, unjust universe.
You must realize that convincing people here that a corresponding postulate along these lines is true, is going to be very difficult, at the very least?
I am only asking you to attempt to apply easy logic, so you can come to the same conclusion that 93% of the world has. And observe and examine your environment. All around us people are celebrating and joyous. All around us people are doing kind and wonderful things. All around us people are suffering and in pain. All around us people are doing horrible and unkind things. Also, there are the nuns and priests who take a lifetime vow of celibacy after claiming to have heard a "calling" And we spay and neuter animals and put animals and birds in cages etc etc.
93% of the world has not come to the same "conclusion."
Not even close. In fact people kill each other all the time on the differences of the "god" conclusion. Also, drive around any large city in a first world country on Sunday morning. Count how many cars/people there are in the church parking lots, and count how many are on the road, in restaurants, at home sleeping, or anything else other than church, even on the few hours of 1 day of the week that is supposed to be dedicated to religion, a vast majority of people cant even be bothered, whether they are atheist, agnostic, just do not care, or state they are christian (etc) but do not even practice their religion. Yes a few mega churches have formed that gives an illusion to the people that attend that the religion is popular but the reality is regular sunday church goes are actually quite the minority especially in large cities/metro areas.
You stated in a different post that you think god is a "big mass of energy" are you talking about our sun? Are you a sun worshipper? I think the bulk of people that believe in "god" would not agree with your definition of god.
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@ Senta
Adding to what LogicFTW posted.
The main reason mega-churches have been forming in the first place is that the smaller churches have run out of funds, go bankrupt, and send their parishioners to larger churches. Sometimes, these larger churches get loans to build an even bigger church, knowing that since they are a church they are exempt from interest on the loan. Then these bigger churches become mega-churches. And all this does is make the "head" Pastor a filthy rich filthy piece of human scum known as the "con-man."
And another fact I love is that the number of "religious" people in America is dropping faster than it ever has in the whole history of this country in just the last 20 years. In that same time period, the number of atheists has tripled. The number of Nones has also tripled. And I am NOT talking percentages here. The actual "percentages" depict a slower decline/growth rate. See, it all depends on how you interpret the numbers. And actually, "percentages" tend to be viewed as more accurate than the numbers themselves. Don't ask me why, to me it is a bunch bullshit disseminated by those who study statistics.
rmfr
"I refuse to believe that I live in a cruel, unfair, unjust universe."
Try stamping your foot when you say it.
@ Sheldon
Oh yes...brillilliant, succinct characterisation in one line.....I immediately had a vision of Shirley Temple and this song is so apposite for Senta...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNwFXLcrsbc.
That's it every post that Senta makes from now on I will see this image overlaying the text.
Re: "...and I refuse to believe that I live in a cruel, unfair, unjust universe."
And I refuse to believe Coke is better than Pepsi in a nationwide blind taste test!... *stomping foot*.... *arms folded across chest*...
"I believe that hell is happening right here, right now, right before our very eyes."
I'm inclined to agree, though mainly since you started posting.
"We are here going through a series of lives designed to better us to the point where we are deserving of an eternal paradise."
Woo woo nonsense, that slicing sound was Hitchens's razor dumping your claim in the trash.
A life with no greater meaning and a universe with no greater purpose is the woo woo nonsense.
"A life with no greater meaning and a universe with no greater purpose is the woo woo nonsense."
You don't know what woo woo means either do you? You know you can Google this shit right?
I believe that hell is happening right here and right now too. My eyes are bleeding as I try to force them to continue reading this drivel. I can assure you this is painful. But you are correct, I am causing it. I don't want to treat you like the ignorant person you are pretending to be. I am sure there is something clever in your post that I am missing. OH FUCK - a series of lives. You mean you want to do all this again! Oh shit, my right eye just fell out if its socket! Hold on. ........................................................... Okay, it's back in. I have to hold it in place with a fork. I already have a pair of dice thanks. And I am not greedy. This one life is enough. I am really glad to be here. Sorry you are having such a terrible time.
No I don't believe in a literal hell. Its a metaphor. I'm trying to think of womething in the Bible that I take literally, and can't think of anything.
(Even so, atheists here, without any evidence, call me a "religous absolutist". that's funny. The great evidence seekers, atheists, jumping to conclusions.)
If you don't believe anything in the Bible to be literal (no literal God, no literal sin, no literal gospel) then you are not Christian by any meaningful sense of the word.
According to Biblical Correctness,,, That is 100% correct. Revelation 2, I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
Matthew 12:30, He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
My FAVORITE:
Matthew 22:37-38 , “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
Any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.” (Luke 14:26–27, 33)
Luke 14:36, "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, and even his own life--he cannot be my disciple."
I agree that statements such as 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ and ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ are not to be taken literally.
This is why I call you a Religious Absolutist. Just like a Religious Absolutist you are the one who jumps to conclusions and assumes all atheists:
I am the only one calling you a Religious Absolutist. I have yet to see ANYONE else call you such. And if so, prove it! BLOCKQUOTE the text and LINK to the post. Otherwise, you are a liar.
Here is a list of how one can spot a Religious Absolutist and they only need match just ONE:
And the biggest problem you have is that you have matched every last one. That makes you not just a Religious Absolutist, but a Religious Absolutist Apologist.
rmfr
It wasn't me. I don't like the word. I use "Conservative right up to the point of being "fking Stupid." I will not deny that the absolutists Arakish refers to are not out there. Where ever they are on the scale of Liberal to Conservative, "Absolutist" has not yet reached "Fking Stupid." So there must still be hope for them.
Yeah. There is still hope for them. That is why I debate them. Maybe the tiniest of seed...
But no, most are not Fucking Stupid.
But most are dumber than dirt and stupider than snot.
rmfr
The Flood was not literal? Murdering innocent Egyptians babies was not literal? The destruction of Sodom was not literal? The whole book of Revelation is not literal? Jesus saying that all "those things" was going to happen in the lifetime of the Apostles, was it no literal?
To add to Talyyn's post:
Even if some parts of the bible are literal, how do you know which part is which? Which part is fiction storybook time and which part is factual historical record part? Why did the authors not try to break these 2 parts up, they try so hard to make the bible a powerful god supporting book that supports the notion of god, that is the "word of god." Yet they could not even be bothered to specify which parts of it are true or not?
Sounds a lot more to me like a fictional book written by people that is showing its age as human advancement in scientific endeavor makes things like a "great flood" patently ridiculous with powerful evidence to the contrary.
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The birth of jesus was not literal? God is not literal?
Of course, Mary got banged by her neighbor :)
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