I don't quite understand how a person absorbed by grand imagery of eternal company with a god in some ethereal place can speak of it as truth, and then by further filtering from that same fantasy-driven imagination proffer fallacious claims as proof. I get it that they are fearful but how does making an effort to counter atheism help them? It's not like turning an atheist into a theist will be advantageous to them and certainly conjuring up additional fantastic claims as proof does not help them in the least.
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"There is more joy in heaven over one lost sinner who repents"
I think Xtians expect to get a special holiness upgrade by bringing heathens back into the fold with all the other brain-dead sheep. To get in on the "greater love hath no man" ticket you need to die rescuing someone, but perhaps if you save a certain number of lost sinners you can accumulate enough celestial flyer points.
Do you know why there's such a profound word that says "There is more joy in heaven over one lost sinner who repents"?
Repentance is such a great reality wherein the Spirit of God enters into the repentant sinner who would eventually become an Immortal and that the days of this would come to an end by the return of CHRIST back on the Mont Olivet, therefore the lives of Repented Sinner and the Return of CHRIST are correlated, until that happens no power can destroy a Repented Sinner as he's a living PROOF of the God of the HOLY BIBLE that might be testable & verifiable as per Revelation 11:5 but Atheists never respond to the challenge comes from a Repented Sinner.
@Peter: "Do you know why there's such a profound word that says "There is more joy in heaven over one lost sinner who repents"?"
It's a early form of multi-level marketing. The more idiots you can drag into your holy Amway network, the more rewards you get in never-never-land in the sky.
Christian proofs include feelings, assertions, claims, visions, and words in an old book.
Christian Proof is not just what did u say but there're greater than that, say for example BORN AGAIN which's a Proof that those who BORN AGAIN never DEAD AGAIN but Atheists and others who're not ready to test & verify that's what prevails them to know GOD existence but they're only interested to talk, talk and talk.
@Peter PROVE IT! Just prove it. That is all you have to do. Prove one fucking thing. Quit being an asshole proselytizing at every turn. Fucking PROVE that there is a god. Prove that there is a heaven. Prove that there is a hell. Prove something. I am so sick and tired of your relentless BULL-FUCKING-SHIT it isn't even funny.
I can overlook your broken English, your lack of grammar. I CAN'T overlook your lies and false claims, your refusal to PROVE ONE FUCKING THING!
God is a sick joke! Plain and simple.
I don't want to read misquotes from your heavily edited bible. I don't want to be preached to. I don't want hearsay evidence. I WANT FACTS, empirical evidence, peer reviewed and verified.
So stop your utter bullshit. You don't debate. You don't discuss. You just keep spewing crap all the time.
You are sick, diluted, brainwashed, even demented. It's clear that your own belief is weak and shaken. That is why you are here. YOU are the best evidence that there is no god. Every time you post you confirm the lack of a god. You are the poster boy for bat shit crazy.
Look, it's simple. Find some REAL evidence and we will discuss it. We won't just shoot it down for the sake of doing so. But YOU actually have to produce something not make shit up or just keep proselytizing!
This thread was started as what is typically a christian idea of what proof is. The fact that there IS no proof. You confirm that fact every single time you post.
Peter is entertaining if nothing else. mykob4 your perseverance with Peter is commendable, I suspect Peter's strategy is just to wear you down until you quit responding and he will consider that a victory.
Peter, similar claims are made by every religion, small cults, shamans and cracpots. Do you have anything beyond your own mind that can be corroborated?
It always amazes me that chritians demand proof (real proof) of anything scientific, yet won't apply the same criteria to their belief. How can you demand imperical proof of something that is tested and peer reviewed by independent means, that is logically sound, and be so hypocritical to deny such proof and buy into crazy shit like a god and intelligent design?
The bible is nothing more than allegory hearsay and folklore. It has been heavily and politically altered to fit an ongoing and changing agenda and bears no resemblance to reality, fact, or truth. AND they cherry pick the bible and at they same time, take those cherry picked parts literally as fact.
Joseph Goebbels utilized the same tactics in forming the NAZI propaganda by mixing known truths with lies to form the NAZI justifications for crimes against humanity.
The most disturbing thing about christian logic is their incessant demand that people should disprove that their myth when the onus is squarely on them to PROVE their god with empirical proof and facts.
Furthermore, they apply their myth and impose it on everyone else at large. They disrespect everyone else's beliefs and or non-beliefs and claim that their beliefs are persecuted when secular law is applied.
The need to convert (or run over) atheists is probably a security thing. Fanatical Christians and Muslims have to distract themselves from their own, deeply buried self-doubt, and that doubt is dangerously close to breaking loose when reasonable people reject religious nonsense! Every thinking atheist stands as a big question mark hanging over the idea of eternal life. Moreover, if you really believe in that incredible nonsense of hell, then you will always be worried that an atheist might influence your children or corrupt society.
My mom always told me that every person you saved was a "star in your crown". Apparently when you get to heaven you are fitted with a crown set with stars. I guess you collect stars like a football player putting stickers on his helmet showing his number of interceptions or fighter pilot noting his number of kills on his plane's fuselage. Maybe the more stars the better your accommodations in heaven. But is my bliss lessened when I see someone with more stars in their crown than I have in mine? But heaven isn't supposed to be less than perfect.
Peter you are an excellent example of such a Christian who claims to have proof, then just give anecdotes or quotes from unsubstanciated and self contradictory ancient texts.
You have replied in a topic that specifically brings this up, yet you reply with the same hollow rants as usual?