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Outren. Knowledge either is or it isn't. If it isn't straightforward then no knowledge has been gained. Applying logic to your 'straightforward answer' statement -
Scientist A: "Does antibiotic 'X' cure disease 'Y'?
Scientist B: "Yes"
Religious person B: "Perhaps it does, perhaps it doesn't." Totally nonsensical.
Regarding your "...teach children from what is wrong and right, the [sic] everyone in this life is equal and has fair opportunity." Unless you're homosexual of course. For some reason all religions get their panties in a twist over this issue.
Your at fault on this one my friend. Thats not a correct way of viewing it, sure one can be ignorant of the potential knowledge to be learned, but as I said about yin and yang, if you don't learn that it will cure it, you learn that your wrong that it may or may not cure it.
In your scenario:
Scientist A: "Does antibiotic 'X' cure disease 'Y'?
Scientist B: "Yes"
Religious person B: "Perhaps it does, perhaps it doesn't." Totally nonsensical.
The scientist is sure it cures the disease because of the knowledge he has based of of the experience and research he did and physically seeing it for himself. The religious person has no way of knowing if it will cure it or not and will learn when it is applied to patients and they either get better as the scientist said they would or they might not worst case scenario.
Just because one doesn't have immediate knowledge on something doesn't make them Totally nonsensical they just aren't sure quite yet can you really blame them? And thats my straightforward answer applying logic as best this 70 yr ol man can
"Its not good to teach a child that but what should be taught is that what she did was wrong and you shouldn't do the same thing because its not right to other or oneself."
Teaching a child right from wrong is easily done without religion.
"No, not everything in religious teachings is good and that's why we need change in a religious system"
Which renders following the religion pointless. If it needs changing, then it's flawed.
No incorrect! It doesn't make it pointless tons of things non religious wise are flawed so your telling me, no everyone who reads this that they are pointless as well? As humans we are flawed, so your saying we are flawed and thus making us something of a pointless irrelevant species?
No religion is perfect, well that's my opinion anyway and i'm sure you can look up factual evidence as well to back me up, but just because someone..it could be me or another that's wants a change in something like the religious system doesn't mean that the whole entire thing becomes pointless...
If people thought like that then what would be the point of trying the point of living? Everything or most of everything has some sort of imperfection towards it, not intentional but ts there, but its because of those imperfections that we as humans seek perfection and go towards something bigger and better! That's why the world changes and tries to make itself something more, that invisible barrier is starting to crack because people find ways to oppose, challenge and utterly destroy sad ideals and ways of thinking such as what you just gave me, that's what motivates me so, the fact that there is still a chance no matter how small for that time when a revolution will come and change the very nature of what you or I or the next person feels and believes with either something illogical or very logical. But until that day, time, and era comes to us we can only try and fix up the mess we started
"No incorrect! It doesn't make it pointless tons of things non religious wise are flawed so your telling me, no everyone who reads this that they are pointless as well? As humans we are flawed, so your saying we are flawed and thus making us something of a pointless irrelevant species?"
Of course religion is pointless. The whole point of following a religion, is to worship a perfect, divine, supreme being, ie god. If god can't even get the system by which we are supposed to live our lives correct, to the point where we have to change it, then it proves he's really not that supreme, or divine, and really not worthy of worship. And yes humans are flawed, and as we really don't have a purpose, apart from the continuation of our species, then yes, we are pointless, as we really have no other reason to be here.
We live because we're here, and we don't really have much choice in the matter. Most of us who are atheists, are fine with that, and make the most our time here. Its only religious people that seem to have a problem with there being no real meaning to life. They need there to be a purpose, something else, hence religion, promise of an afterlife if you do x, y and z while here on earth.
You say we live here because we are here because we don't have a choice..but your wrong. Human being were born with the power of choice, we are not instinctual beings. We may rely on those instincts from our ancestral days, but that in and of itself is also a choice. If you wanted to you could have chosen to die yesterday, next week, tomorrow but you haven't because why? You choose not to, fear is just that of the mind if you wanted to die you'd choose to.
And to address your statement prior to that being religion is pointless, i've already answered it but for you i'll make an exception and further clarify to what I explained to chimp3.
Religion gives people hope in this world and most people do not know how to live without that hope. The religious ways are slowly starting to become outdated or flawed because we as people see that somethings just aren't right and need change. The world is ever changing, growing more connected and divided but by the end of the day some people just have hope for a better tomorrow.
And the religious system and religious teaching are two different things don't get me wrong. I do not believe that the deity or deities purpose was to create a religious system that is man's doing, what they've left behind is the teachings which we as man interpret and build a system to which our lives our judged and governed by.
A question for you:
And whats your logic or reasoning to say that humans have no reason or purpose to be here? Whats your logic to say we don't have a choice? Whats your logic in their being no real meaning to life because religious people don't have a problem with their not being a real meaning to life, or at least that's an invalid statement to speak on the behalf of everyone.
( I know it may seem like i'm choosing sides but believe me when I say i'm not. I'm just giving a rebuttal to your statement in a way that clarifies what i'm trying to say to everyone out there who reads my message )
"You say we live here because we are here because we don't have a choice..but your wrong. Human being were born with the power of choice, we are not instinctual beings. We may rely on those instincts from our ancestral days, but that in and of itself is also a choice. If you wanted to you could have chosen to die yesterday, next week, tomorrow but you haven't because why? You choose not to, fear is just that of the mind if you wanted to die you'd choose to."
Did you choose to be born? Yes I could have chosen to die, but I didnt, because I am happy where I am.
"Religion gives people hope in this world and most people do not know how to live without that hope. The religious ways are slowly starting to become outdated or flawed because we as people see that somethings just aren't right and need change. The world is ever changing, growing more connected and divided but by the end of the day some people just have hope for a better tomorrow"
Religion gives "hope" to people who are too ignorant to think for themselves. Religion causes more suffering, than it gives "hope"
"And whats your logic or reasoning to say that humans have no reason or purpose to be here? Whats your logic to say we don't have a choice? Whats your logic in their being no real meaning to life because religious people don't have a problem with their not being a real meaning to life, or at least that's an invalid statement to speak on the behalf of everyone."
We do have a purpose, to pro-create and carry on our species, like every other animal on the planet. We dont have a choice, because we don't choose to be born.
I didnt say religious people don't have a problem with their not being a real meaning to life, I said they do. If the religious didnt have a problem with there being no real meaning to life, they wouldnt be religious. Religion is a crutch, you even said so yourself, to give people's lives (a false sense of) meaning, to worship god, follow the rules set down in whatever belief system they believe in, so that they go to heaven, thats their" meaning".
Before I continue, I'd just like to say I find it very enjoying and pleasant to talk with you on the subject at hand, and that you are very insightful person despite the fact we don't entirely get along on everything. I just wanted to say that to clear the air abit, and be a little friendly. But i'll address your points now as you did for me.
So, for your fist point, about me choosing to be born, no. That is something out of my hands, but that is just one thing we can't control coming into the world, but once we are in it, we choose what we do from then on as babies even if it seems like we aren't.
For your second point, about ignorance, I believe that is a hasty generalization about people, as not everyone is intellectually inclined, in fact some cannot be due to illness that effects the brain and hinders their ability for growth. Religion may not be the best thing in the world and its not for everyone but thats not my point, I'm here to try and unify the two because one doesn't get along with the other. There has to be a middle ground that listens to both sides and addresses both complaints in a civil manner that can end in a co-existence and not something equating to anarchy (in a religious/non sense anyway)
Just because we didn't choose to be born doesn't mean we don't have choice, and thats the mindset that someone who believes in a higher power would think, even if its not a god or deity. I could be talking about fate/destiny but thats still sounded like that type of mindset if yo ask me. Its confusing that you say "We dont have a choice, because we don't choose to be born" when everything lading after that comes from the choices we make which are guided and directed by other figures we listen to because of the level of respect we choose to give, and when we don't like the choices made we can either choose to go on a path between listening or not.
Here is a scenario: You walk in the woods and you come to a fork in the road...what will you do?
You could go left, right, or back to find another way. You could stand there and do nothing, you could go home you could not even bother going through the woods in the first place, but all of these are choices you as an individual can make that leads to different paths on the long stretch of life we have.
"If the religious didnt have a problem with there being no real meaning to life, they wouldnt be religious." This is also false, this may be a generalization, but people who start off religious and commit suicide may dawn on the fact life is pointless. Some people may simply breakdown unable to find an answer in life (or whatever the case may be) and people deem the 'crazy' and we throw them in mental institutions. Or just look at all the children now that call themselves I believe the term is "emo".
Even if it is a false sense of meaning its still has weight and value to it, to the select individual and shouldn't that be enough? I mean look at atheists who are so strongly affirmed to believe that the existence of god is nay and that everyone should 'wake up and smell the roses'. They have their scientific facts and theories on how the world came to be and how we came to be and they so strongly believe in it because thats how they view because in a way that can give them 'a false sense of' meaning to what they believe in.
How is it right for non-believers to strip away hope of another when they have their own "blind faith" in their rejection against believers? Thats why I say there is another option, when you add fire to fire it only strengthens the flame, it can get out of control and set ablaze to people's hearts and minds and make them blind to the options openly given to them, but they simply ignore it because certain paths are long, hard and difficult, but the 25% of us, the middle ground are trying as hard as we can. I may be the only one but thats better than being blind and ignorant to your own short comings.
I'm not saying i'm perfect, and i'm flawless, but I can and will accept if I am wrong or incorrect, but if I have a fighting chance to prove you or anyone else wrong, i'll keep coming back to try and put out the flame
"For your second point, about ignorance, I believe that is a hasty generalization about people, as not everyone is intellectually inclined, in fact some cannot be due to illness that effects the brain and hinders their ability for growth. Religion may not be the best thing in the world and its not for everyone but thats not my point, I'm here to try and unify the two because one doesn't get along with the other. There has to be a middle ground that listens to both sides and addresses both complaints in a civil manner that can end in a co-existence and not something equating to anarchy (in a religious/non sense anyway)"
You dont have to be intellectually inclined to question religius beliefs and the existence of god. And why does there have to be a "middle ground"? God either exists or he doesnt. Religon is either true or it isnt. There is no middle ground here. You seem to be suggesting that atheists and theists live in a state of constant conflict. Atheists and theists co-exist perfectly well except for on debate forums!
"Just because we didn't choose to be born doesn't mean we don't have choice",
Complete contradiction. we either choose to be born or we dont.
"and thats the mindset that someone who believes in a higher power would think, even if its not a god or deity."
And how exactly have you come to this conclusion?
" I could be talking about fate/destiny but thats still sounded like that type of mindset if yo ask me. Its confusing that you say "We dont have a choice, because we don't choose to be born" when everything lading after that comes from the choices we make which are guided and directed by other figures we listen to because of the level of respect we choose to give, and when we don't like the choices made we can either choose to go on a path between listening or not"
You're attacking a strawman here. We do not choose to be here, thats a fact, as we do not choose to be born. Of course once we are here, we can choose to do what we like, I'm not disputing that, never have. Although having said that, suicide goes against our natural human instinct, to survive, so it could be argued that we really don't have a choice as to whether we remain here on this earth.
"If the religious didnt have a problem with there being no real meaning to life, they wouldnt be religious." This is also false, this may be a generalization, but people who start off religious and commit suicide may dawn on the fact life is pointless. Some people may simply breakdown unable to find an answer in life (or whatever the case may be) and people deem the 'crazy' and we throw them in mental institutions. Or just look at all the children now that call themselves I believe the term is "emo".
And how many religious people commit suicide? Some maybe, if they suffer from mental illness that goes untreated, but this would be a very small minority, because, as I posted above, suicide goes against our natural instincts.
Most EMO's tend to identify as atheist, its edgy ;)
"How is it right for non-believers to strip away hope of another when they have their own "blind faith" in their rejection against believers? Thats why I say there is another option, when you add fire to fire it only strengthens the flame, it can get out of control and set ablaze to people's hearts and minds and make them blind to the options openly given to them, but they simply ignore it because certain paths are long, hard and difficult, but the 25% of us, the middle ground are trying as hard as we can. I may be the only one but thats better than being blind and ignorant to your own short comings."
How exactly are non-believers "stripping away hope?" We dont proselytise like religious people, its not like we accost people in the street like religious people do, or knock on people's doors, or shove leaflets in their faces like religious people do. Look at our dawahgandist on this forum, Abdul, trying to convert us all to Islam lol.
The fact of the matter is, a lot of religious people come to sites like this because they are having doubts. All we do is give them our point of view, point them towards the evidence, the rest is up to them.
The only people who have blind faith, are those who blindly follow religion.
I do seem to be inferring what you stated my friend, and I believe this true, on the outside in life things seem pretty but thats only because of certain rules and regulations people go by and not to cause a scene. Its also because we have made it to a point where some deem your opinion yours and their opinion theirs but they still don't have to show kindness or liking towards either side. Sure people may just debate about it quietly but as said previously the debated has lasted for well over a century, why have we not come to agreement or conclusion if we are not in a constant conflict between one another?
And thats where keeping an open mind comes in, the middle ground. Sure you can say: Do or Do not but its never that simple especially for humans because of how irregular one's actions can be. A middle ground doesn't set a person on a set path that we can't control, it questions both sides and weighs options, considers possibilities and all that! Its a logically illogical option most people do not even consider because the simplest term I could use is confusing at best but better confusing and more options than not having any control of anything in my opinion, thats a happier and more interesting life choice thats rare to experience, but some exceptional people were born who realized that side to life and made their mark on the world over as we know it today.
Sure being born isn't our choice, but when I say it means we don't have a choice i'm not lying we do have choices not all are immediate however. I say we have choice as in everything after our life starts from the moment we enter this world out the womb, to deny that fact is to say something illogical is taking control of our lives and we have no say in the matter, just carrying out a pointless experience.
And yes, suicide is against natural instinct, but that is not the only method and means to end one's own life and isn't giving up and saying we don't have choice in the world something that goes against natural instincts of survival? At the end of the day if your at the end of you life and somebody else had the chance to pull the trigger yet an opportunity aroused to live, is it not your choice to say "I want to remain here and die" or "I want to live?", sure instinct may tell you to fight but people have fear too and that can become a obstacle.
Minority or not the fact is that they'd still do it is it not? Its a very sad thing to think about, one wishing or even considering their life to be pointless beyond that of basic reproduction because we chose to make it more than that which some people, even the worlds smartest (in my opinion) overlook. Its why we were given the name "Prime-ape" and call ourselves "Human", because we chose to be separate from our animalistic tendencies and instincts, we may act upon them for guidance but I don't think at this point in life that we can go back unless we started off that way at birth that and mentally being the only exceptions
And I've seen the one who calls himself Abdul. He has many flaws and it feels like a roast session on his poor ability to try and back up what he's saying, its very funny to watch and read actually, some of the people on there i'd really love to talk to about my ideals and hear what they'd have to say, they seem very intellectually inclined and witty, fun people to talk to, but back to the matter at hand ^.^
"Stripping away hope" In my understanding yes non-believers do not preform such acts, in fact one of the most low key individuals as far as I can tell. But I mean taking their crutch from them. Some people do have doubts and are curious as to why atheists are, you tell them your stories and tell them why things seem or appear confusing but thats all they know. Some enjoy life as a theist not because of there being a god or doing x,y,z to get to another realm, but its because as a theist they can have a crutch for when things get tough, find strengths within themselves even if what or who they go to may or may not be there physically. Yet when you go one about there being no point and nothing, it just seems like the world become more of a duller, boorish place and life has little to offer other than pass times you make out of it.
"Blind faith" is something I use not only for believers who do not dare challenge whoever they take worship in, but also for non-believers aswell because it seems that some are too stubborn to not dare challenge their facts and evidence with other possibilities than the straight line they drew fro themselves and for others to join
Through all of your waffle (you really need to learn to get to the point, as your posts give me a headache) You seem to be agreeing with most of what I've said, so Im really not going to waste any more time except to address this point.
"And thats where keeping an open mind comes in, the middle ground. Sure you can say: Do or Do not but its never that simple especially for humans because of how irregular one's actions can be. A middle ground doesn't set a person on a set path that we can't control, it questions both sides and weighs options, considers possibilities and all that! Its a logically illogical option most people do not even consider because the simplest term I could use is confusing at best but better confusing and more options than not having any control of anything in my opinion, thats a happier and more interesting life choice thats rare to experience, but some exceptional people were born who realized that side to life and made their mark on the world over as we know it today"
This not the "middle ground" at all. This is simply weighing up the arguments and evidence for or against something, which is what we do every day! As I said initially, I really dont think you know exactly what it is you're challenging, and to be honest, neither do I. Your ideas do seem quite confused.
welcome to the forum and thanks for your contribution for a mature debate.
I consider myself open minded to all possibilities so your topic interests me.
"but do you know of yin and yang?"
Yes, they could mean different things to different people though.
It could mean one needs the other, but could also mean that one becomes the other+ other meanings.
My favorite is the graphical description it makes, it tries to show how life works, which I am not going to explain here.
"The point is, people of religious faith only become religious NOT by something that was trained for you to believed in at a young age, NOT by that of social or other effects of pressure and arguably NOT by one's own choice. They simply are religious because its a coping mechanism for the fear of the unknown aka death as we call it."
You should have come to the point sooner, I was getting sleepy at this point.
That being said, yea I do think that fear of death is one of the things that keeps someone to remain a theist, but I disagree that it is the reason they became theists in the first place.
It does enforce the faith though.
Indoctrination is the most effective means of creating theists, it is the building blocks that creates the psychological confusion of confusing your own conscience with an imaginary friend that is always there, is righteous and loves you.
This will make you defend your religion like as if you are defending the good part in you, which in fact you actually are, but you do not know it but only feel it.
Fear of the unknown won't get you to become a suicide bomber.
Thinking you are doing the righteous thing does.
"On the flip side, those who lack in faith only do so because of multiple reasons but all of them have a common core to it as well and that being people who lack in faith of a god or deity simply rejects it because their minds have been trained to respond by not fearing the unknown and what will happen next after death..."
Man use full-stops, seriously, it was hard to read all that, but it is even harder to quote you.
Also if you want people to even be bothered to read what you write, try to be to the point and use short sentences.
Well to answer:
The problem is that that those who lack faith usually have accepted doubt as a good thing, even unconsciously to the point of questioning even their faith.
You sometimes hear it from theists themselves if you push them hard enough, that they CANNOT doubt their god.
Once that step is made, the person will undoubtedly deconvert.
Fear of death is an excuse they come up with to convince themselves that they are right but it is not the real reason why they remain theists.
The real reason is hidden from them, it is an ability that their indoctrination tried hard to change and poison, to not let them use critical thinking when it comes to their faith.
For example:
Christianity calls it a sin to doubt.
"Well what is your standing? there can't be a middle ground"
Technically there cannot be a middle ground.Logical Fact
You either believe in the theistic claim; an omniscient, omnipotent, loving god exists or simply you lack belief in such a type of god.
You can believe some aspect of the claim but you cannot believe it all and not call yourself a believer in the claim.(theist)
" understand the other's side"
I have studied the other side so much that I know it is evil and I can prove it.
There is no middle ground, theism is a version of a man made weapon of mass destruction; Mind Control.
It can turn the instinctive love of a mother against her child.
Religion was once the first attempt at science, preservation of knowledge, etc..., but today it has been transformed into something that hinders progress and peace.
It creates division among humans and it must be purged sooner or later.
What must not happen is to throw good useful things under the bus that religion has hijacked over time, like; meditation, solidarity, love and respect for every living specie, etc....
I thank you for a welcome introduction to the forum as I am most excited and nervous to be here! I want to learn lots so don't hold back alright?
I do apologize but I must tell the truth as it seems my ruse won't let up with all these highly intelligent people catching on to my minute mistakes and punctuation. The truth is i'm only 16 years old with a really, really hard and challenging idea I want to sharpen and make better. I only lied about my age and experience because people seem to prioritize those two unconsciously and attack kids and teens when they make a statement or theory thats essential in their eyes ridiculous, so I kinda kept quiet for a while, but after seeing and hearing how the world is its my dream and goal to have my name written in history as somebody who changed something in the world as we know it today. I want to help those suffering, lost, challenged and confused by whatever means and thats why I want to prove that you don't have to have alot of experience and all that to be wise..it just comes from what you learns through the interpretations gained from a daily lifestyle...with that i'll give my responses!
I apologize for not being direct but not everyone understands how I communicate so I kinda take the long route to make it easier for them to understand my overall point, again really sorry to make you read all that and beat around the bush more than necessary, but please understand my reasoning if you can I'm not awesome at explanations. Oh and thank you for the tips! i'll remember them for next time I swear!
And you seem to understand my overall points I make, yet you seem to stray off from what I wanted to get everyone to understand >.< but thats okay! This is a learning experience for me and I need as many questions and rebuttals to my statements to learn. But for the long and short of it, you got it right on the nose, thats actually how the belief system takes place, yet your kinda wrong about a few things..lemme clarify.
For one, your statement on fearing the unknown being an excuse. Can you honestly tell me that if you thought about something you know but don't know you won't get nervous or have doubts? Take space for example, everyone's heard of it, but we still dunno what it is, its a vast emptiness with possibilities that could be branded either logical or illogical but the more you think about how vast it actually is, how small we are compared to it, what would happen, what could happen, the more you think about the mind tries to picture, answer and conclude but it can't because of endless uncertainties and can you tell me that wouldn't invoke fear of some sort?
The point isn't in finding out the actual truths or reasons that comes after, what I mean to say for change would be to respect, acknowledge and understand their reasons even if it sounds like a giant five year old talking about his/her dream last night. So we can reach a sense of peace and respect between one another and end a conflict thats been around longer than we've both been born.
The third thing is your reasons for there not being a middle ground and how it is illogical to think so. Why is that? I mean, because I've seen a few people who have been the middle ground even if it doesn't relate to religion there has been a few out there. So nobody has considered taking both sides into account in terms of religious fashions but I am. There is away which I want to teach and show you all its not that incredibly complicated but it can be a hard pill to swallow.
In fact, atheist beliefs do not tread far from what I am talking about, I just have a few twists and turns to it. In religious terms I could be called a heathen or deserter because of my standings. I want to be the line in which that invisible barrier keep believer and no from tearing each others neck apart and clarifying and resolving issues in a civil and equal manner.
This middle ground is the connecting line that can end the old ways of the religious systems and bring upon a new era which we are definitely closing in on, but it can be in a negative light or a positive one, that is unavoidable and its we as a people thats made those two choices. Yet there can be a driving force that understands and helps out either side understand and benefit to create unification and stronger connections, if there was change I bet my arm and a leg the world would see massive amounts of improvements as well as a few hardships and tragedies.
To end it off i'll say: To heck with origin, arguments, being accurate or precise. To heck with ignorance and negativity and flaws, we all get it, seen it, some done and experienced. Thats not why i'm here, connection, unity and understanding, that is my message for a change in what we all believe in to be true
"I do apologize"
Apologies accepted and I was a bit curious how a 60+ year old didn't know some basics of communication in writing.
"Can you honestly tell me that if you thought about something you know but don't know you won't get nervous or have doubts?"
I once started a topic about everybody fearing the unknown knowingly or unknowingly on the forum.
It is ironic you ask that question to me, since I was the one who made such a bold claim once.
The point I made is that it is not the main reason for theists to be theists, it is just an excuse for theists to reinforce their faith.
Saying something like, theism answers those unknown questions, god did it and trust in god we must.
"end a conflict"
You seem naive to the problem.
The atheists are just the guys who are skeptic to the theistic claim, they are not a religion.
The conflict happens when religious people try to impose their nonsense on others.
So apart from tolerating people that have an immoral and evil doctrine, we skeptic people(atheists) have to deal with debating gay rights and other basic common sens things, because this brainwashing religion cannot leave humanity in peace.
"This middle ground"
There is no middle ground, !!!
Religions and their fake gods need to change and adopt to morality.
Atheists were always there, in fact every theist that ever existed was an atheist before getting brainwashed and abused at a young age to become a theist.
Returning to be an atheist is like growing up and learning that Father Christmas does not truly exist, and they lied to you because they thought you were not capable of handling the truth.
There is no middle ground, grow up or keep believing in Father Christmas/god, you cannot do both.
Only after having a clear picture of reality you can finally join the club of sane people and start reasoning again.
To have a middle ground one must assume that both sides have at least one other thing which is correct or right, the skeptic has science and logic, the Theist has truly nothing, not even spirituality, even though it claims a monopoly on it.
Atheist vs Theist is like
Reason vs Dogma
There is no middle ground, reason in the end will always prevail.
Outren - "...its my dream and goal to have my name written in history..."
Nyarlathotep - "delusions of grandeur"
cough, cough: nailed it!
Outren , you rascal ! I was worried that I might be hurting the feelings of a man with early signs of dementia. I hope you continue to clarify your message and subject it to challenges .
Thanks guys for a wonderful time and thank you for your words of opinion. I think I've gotten what I came here to accomplish and have taken big steps towards my goal. Some highlights that must be addressed and things to fine tune but overall I have everyone here to thank for helping me in the experimental project towards a new world.
I may not sound it but I got lots of like to share and things that challenge others, other than this believe it or not!
Please feel free to contact me if you are in the slightest bit curious to know more, or get better clarification via on this debate or email. I feel if I were to continue it would just end up in a stalemate between two opposing ideals and opinions but if you'd like me to respond I most certainly will.
Again sorry for the jest, just thought people had higher respect for the elderly so I kinda just made that part up but I do have some knowledge and experience!
Well that's all! Thanks again!
This is the reason why we see Christianity as immoral and insane, why there cannot be any compromise:
Watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGkgmU9vG_o
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