Cardinal Pell committed to stand trial

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Sat, 05/05/2018 - 20:50

#62

Cognostic

Needles and pins,

Needles and pins,
Needles and pins,
When a grown man molests boys in a pool.
His Trouble begins.

Sat, 05/05/2018 - 21:27

(Reply to #62) #63

Old man shouts ...

@ Cog

@ Cog
Alright alright! I cry Uncle!
Great job mate...

Sun, 05/06/2018 - 09:02

(Reply to #63) #64

Tin-Man

Hey diddle-diddle

Hey diddle-diddle
Cardinal Pell he did fiddle
With private parts of young boys.

(Oh, yeah, and a cow jumped over the moon with a silver spoon up his ass while drinking from a tea pot..... or something like that.)

Sun, 05/06/2018 - 08:43

#65

arakish

@ Grinseed, Algebe, and all..

@ Grinseed, Algebe, and all...

It seems I did not explain my point the way I should have. For this I apologize. Sorry. I am admitting I was not fully correct. Again, sorry.

It was while I was reading a couple of other stories about "accusations" against other priests that I realized what I was doing. As soon as I saw the headlines, before even reading the stories, my automatic response was, "Guilty with no chance of innocence."

Should have included this detail. It is that automatic response I have had for decades that makes me ashamed. It was me who had become a monster. Or, should I say it was them that created a monster.

A monster who would actually give them the fuel they would need to prove that us atheists are immoral. Yes, they did heinous and atrocious things to me for those 7 years. However, if I am to prove I am a rationalist, I cannot go around and automatically assume that ANY accused priest is guilty with no chance of innocence.

To be a rationalist, I have to reorganize my thinking and hold the concept of innocent until proven guilty. I should not allow what has happened to me to "cloud" my rational thinking.

Thus, I am sorry I did not include all the details. Basically, I am living proof how someone can have completely repressed memories and how they can subconsciously cloud one's thinking.

However, knowing this does not make me feel any less ashamed.

rmfr

Sun, 05/06/2018 - 12:27

(Reply to #65) #66

algebe

@Arakish: Guilty with no

@Arakish: Guilty with no chance of innocence.

The organization is certainly guilty with no chance of innocence. They've inducted and corrupted young men as priests. They've recruited pedophiles and unleashed them to prey on innocents. They've protected and concealed the guilty, including not only pedophiles but also senior Nazis.

When men put on the uniform of this criminal mob, they immediately become party to its awful crimes. How many priests have been aware of these evils yet failed to speak out or protect the victims? The answer is just about all of them. No priest or pope today can claim ignorance.

And it's not just pedophilia. Look at the Magdalene Laundries.

Tue, 05/08/2018 - 23:22

#67

Cognostic

Interesting; my rational mind

Interesting; my rational mind just says "Here we go again." It is not my job to suspend judgment in every case, but to look at the information and make a judgment. This is more of the same thing we have gotten from the Catholics for eons. Another straw on the camel's back. The sun has shown every day of my existence so I am rational to assume it will shine again tomorrow. The Catholics have been involved in the molestation of young boys and hiding priests from the law for as long as I can remember, I do not find another incidence of molestation unusual or out of the ordinary in any way. The Good Cardinal probably did everything that he has been accused of doing. He will be assumed innocent by the courts and the prosecute will have to build a case against him to prove guilt. That's the way the system works but not the way opinion works. The evidence does not seem to be on the good Cardinal's side.

Mon, 05/14/2018 - 08:28

#68

Sushisnake

I read in New Matilda a

I read in New Matilda a little while ago that the DPP is requesting a total media ban on the trial. My first thought was a reactionary "No! That's wrong! The public have a right to know!", but a couple of cooĺer heads in the comments section pointed out it's a sound way for the prosecution to prevent the defence screaming "Mistrial!". They can't claim the media coverage biased the jury if there isn't any media coverage.

https://newmatilda.com/2018/05/14/prosecutors-seek-complete-ban-media-re...

Interestingly, the ones who pointed out the usefulness of the media ban in avoiding a mistrial were young people, Millennials, by their photos- the demographic renowned for being "nones", so they have no religious skin in the game, just some smarts about how the justice system works and how it can be derailed.

Mon, 05/14/2018 - 23:23

(Reply to #68) #69

Old man shouts ...

@ Sushi

@ Sushi
Yep my initial reaction was the same as yours, then the reality of the prosecutors position struck me. Hope it sticks in Pells craw. Or they will smuggle in a couple of "good catholics" who will blow the gaff to the murdochrity or social media to get exactly the mistrial they will need.

Thu, 05/17/2018 - 00:28

(Reply to #69) #70

Sushisnake

@Old Man

It wouldn't get them anywhere. A total media ban would mean nobody could publish it anyway - at least, not here in Australia . They'd find themselves in contempt of court if they did. That wouldn't apply to international media, though.

Thu, 05/17/2018 - 01:17

(Reply to #70) #71

Old man shouts ...

@ Sushi

That wont matter to a good catholic with a few hundred years of papal indulgences up their sleeves. It may be they have already thwarted one attempt.

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