ATP synthases: molecular nano power plants
http://reasonandscience.heavenforum.org/t1439p15-atp-synthase#4550
From Marcos Eberlin's excellent book : Life and the Universe by Intelligent Design
https://www.widbook.com/ebook/life-and-the-universe-by-intelligent-design
ATP synthase motor. The smallest and most efficient power plant on this planet powering the production of energy of Life. One of the essential requirements for Life is energy. Living organisms require large amounts of energy, and the molecule that stores and releases energy of life is adenosine triphosphate represented by the acronym ATP (Figure 2). And then there is a need for a huge amount of this molecule. And to synthesize it with efficiency and optimization, Life requires adenosine - a heterocyclic nitrogenous base, a ribose sugar molecule (one sugar) and three phosphates. Note the difficulty here for any unguided process you "want to imagine" to form such a molecule. Sugars are formed by formaldehyde - essentially - a highly reactive molecule. Sugars are reactive and unstable, and reaction media that allow synthesis of sugars are incompatible with the means of synthesis of nitrogenous bases. Anions phosphate precipitate in the presence of metal ions such as Ca2 +, for example. And links between phosphate anions involve slow reactions, and need to be catalyzed by enzymes. Therefore, this molecule synthesis routes give a hell lot of work that only the machinery of life can perform. And to make matters worse for the task, the ATP molecule is unstable and hydrolyzes easily in water, and is exothermical (gives off heat). And then to establish the third phosphate connection, which requires most energy, life must go against the kinetics and enthalpy and so uses the only way to overcome such cumber thermodynamic: a machine, and an incredible nanomachine: ATP synthase
The ATP molecule - a chemical masterpiece- to generate the energy of Life.
The ATP synthase is the name given to a true nanomolecular "power plant" made by turbines and protein reactors, that in a spectacular and artfully crafted way, synthesizes - and reverse the synthesis - the molecule of ATP (adenosine triphosphate) from ADP (adenosine bifosfate) and anions of inorganic phosphate in the cells (Figure 1). A nanomolecular marvel of technology, chemistry and mechanical engineering mega intelligent.
Carved like a work of chemical art , beautiful and awe-inspiring - it appears to challenge failed theories - ATP synthase has the smallest engine known in this universe. And this engine, professional thing, it performs like a perfect and finely tuned ballet, a synchronized set of thousands and thousands of inter- and intramolecular interactions. This plant also has input channels and output protons also artfully constructed with extreme skill and sophistication and astonishing precision, and nanometrical distances and forces set and finely calculated for the purpose of building a nanomolecular plant maximized to produce chemical energy.
With a nanomolecular turbine powered by protons and which transmits its movement through a molecular rotor, and channels that direct the movement of these protons - kind of molecular slides to the water parks, the ATP synthase has fascinated many electrical and chemical engineers primarily - for its perfection in performing reactions and producing energy. In it, we also have "molecular pins" that attach the rotor to the chemical reactor (F1 unit) catalyst, which accommodates within itself the reagents and literally confines them and "Squeezes", so as to accelerate the desired chemical reaction. And that tightens and loosens are all promoted by a synchronized spin - one opens and closes nanometrically set - governed by a molecular piece of oval shape crankshaft type in camshafts, those that man added to their combustion engines
A fantastic chemical reaction then occurs in the ATP synthase: ADP + ATP → PO4-. And the whole machinery of ATP synthase is there fitted perfectly in the cell wall of the inner mitochondrial membrane , that hyper mega high tech " cell ship" . And all with homochiral molecules, AA type lefthanded only.
The ATP synthase is therefore a show of sophistication, specification and aperiodicity, and hyper mega irreducible complexity . Disconnect one of its components, disturb one of its forms, replace some of your AA position, and there are thousands and thousands of them, and the system loses function altogether. Try to build it slowly, step by step, by mindless unguided processes, will it be possible? Viable at the molecular level? Where would the energy come from to build it, if it is the energy provider of life? Remember though that the energy that produces ATP synthase is essential to life, virtually for all forms of life. And it is power required at the right time at the right flow! The structure of ATP synthase is so ingenious that its elucidation earned a Nobel Prize in 1997, as the enormity and significance of the feat. Our cells contain thousands of these nanomotors embedded in their mitochondria, and installed in their membranes. And these nanomotors - nano power plants - are about 200,000 times smaller than a pinhead. And that nanomotor is there for the sole purpose of forcing the occurrence of a single reaction: the third phosphate bond in ADP "crushing it" along with phosphate to form ATP
The ATP molecules are used in key processes in the cell which require energy, which is released , then regenerating ADP and a free phosphate. The energy produced is directed, for example in humans, for contraction of muscles, beating of the heart and processes in the brain, whereas the reaction products are economically and wisely recycled . In the center of the ATP synthase is a small rotor which rotates around 100 revolutions per second, synthesizing 3 ATP molecules per revolution, or 300 molecules of ATP per second! Only for our thinking and walking, we recycle proportional to our body weight (80 kg) of ATP every day. Each enzyme in the ATP synthase is composed of 31 other proteins that, in turn, are made of thousands of amino acids precisely arranged. Remove any of the 31 proteins and the motor becomes simply useless.
The ATP synthase, along with the Scourge, is one of the most "striking" examples of mega irreducible complexity we see around the corner in life. And there's more: all the immense set of genetic information and RNA, plus dozens of proteins needed to build the ATP synthase, are in total even more irreducibly complex than the ATP synthase itself. The car factory is -by principle - more irreducibly complex than the car it manufactures.
Described in more details chemical and biochemical (insane task), the ATP synthase is a protein complex consisting of several proteins that fit perfectly synchronously, and - in a synchronized chemical ballet - in the form of a "mushroom". This nano mill is in thousands "installed" on the inner membrane of the mitochondria (Figure 6). There are two main components: (1) head - a spherical area comprised by the catalytic portion of the enzyme known as Factor connection 1, or simply F1, which measures about 90 Å in diameter; and (2) basic - called F0 - fixing the whole to the inner membrane of mitochondria. High resolution SEM micrographs revealed that the head (1) and the bottom part (2) are joined by a central rod - formed by subunits F1 and F0 - relatively narrow (45) which is connected to a peripheral button 90-100 Å in diameter. A mitochondria located in human liver cells has about 15,000 copies of ATP synthase
The most efficient way to conduct a chemical reaction known in this universe, "the hard way"! In the ATP synthase, a protein complex jointly embraces a ADP difosfate molecule and one anion phosphate (Pi) providing energy and forcing them "mechanically" by reacting . Reaction occurred "by force", the engine spins at 8,500 RPM and the protein complex "opens" then its arms, by the action of the crankshaft driven by an engine and rotor, and releases the product, the tri-phosphate ATP molecule. The ATP synthase is the smallest rotary engine known today. To give you an idea of its tiny size, in a millimeter, can be grouped, side by side, approximately about 100 000 ATP synthases. This engine is driven not by power, but by "proton energy"; that is, by a countercurrent flow of protons.
The ATP synthase would then be the headless product of evolution, not guided or inexcusable evidence of intelligent design? Remember that without energy there is no life, and in life there is no power without ATP, and in life there is no ATP without ATP synthase. The ATP synthase is thus more one of the great "chicken-egg" dilemmas of Life! For all biochemical processes that coordinate the functioning and structure need to be supplied ATP synthase molecule itself produces: ATP. About 14 trillion body cells at this point are conducting this biochemical reaction via ATP synthase, in about a million times per minute through mitochondria.
To give you even more ingenius details of this fabulous machine, note that the F1 region of ATP synthase (F1-ATPase) is made up of six protein units, and divided into three pairs of active sites. These units form regions which provide "chemical hugs" through a docking site for ADP and phosphate. An anchoring (or stator) is curved on the outside of the structure in order to fix the base (F0) to the head (F1). Three molecules of ATP are formed for each complete shaft rotation. Chemical engineering of ATP synthase is shown - there's no denying - intelligent and mega efficient . The complex has a spiral shaft, called "Y", which is the circumference between F0 and F1 and allows the connection of one region to the other, like a pen within a cardboard tube. The intelligent design of this nanomolecular machine causes the flow of protons, across the membrane, turn the shaft and the base. So it's not turning the base and the axis "attracts" the protons, as originally thought, but it is the flow of protons turning the engine. The turning occurs when the central axis (y) puts pressure on the inner walls of the six proteins in the F1 region thus result in a smooth structural deformation with consequent reformation alternately. My vote here for the "pinnacle" of chemical engineering in the nanomolecular this universe. Heck, what a genius mind that knew Chemistry as anyone else, to come up with something like that!
Note further that the F0 subunit, which is fixed on the membrane of mitochondria, rotates clockwise. Laterally annexed the F0, is another input channel subunit which serves as the channel where the protons will be directed to the engine. The rotation is synchronized around its own axis and provides that individually protons enter and exit, respectively. Since the protons are attracted to the input channel, they connect to F0, and follow nearly a complete rotation, they then are conveyed to an output channel present on the same side frame attached to where F0 enters. The subunit F1 (F1 ATPase) is that attracts molecules adenosine diphosphate (ADP) and phosphate (Pi), which are released together with ATP.
3D view at the molecular level of ATP synthase: nano power plant vital to life on this planet.
But there is even more wonder in the ATP synthase: the rotational mechanism used for F0 is performed routinely when there is a high concentration of protons in the cytosol and a low concentration of ATP inside the mitochondria. But when these concentrations are reversed, the enzyme " understands biochemically" that its function was successful, and if it continues, will promote serious imbalance in the cell. Control is everything! In this situation, the ATP synthase "thinks and reacts," and and makes its F0 turn now in the opposite direction, and the mechanism is reversed, and the proton exit channel now becomes the input channel, and the protons inside the organelle return to the cytosol. ATP molecules are now converted to ADP and phosphate free, in a chemical "retro-reaction" . A chemical balance nano-mechanically directed and controlled! Since you know this fantastic nanomachine a little better at the molecular level, , what do you think: chance or design?
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Referências e notas
1. "ATP synthase — a marvellous rotary engine of the cell" M. Yoshida, E. Muneyuki, T. Hisabori, Nature Reviews Molecular Cell Biology 2001, 2, 669.
2. Paul D. Boyer. The ATP Synthase - a splendid molecular machine. Annual Review of Biochemistry, Vol. 66: 717-749 (July 1997)
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@Otangelo
TL;DR.
You post way too much for most people to actually bother reading it and way too much to actually get across what you are trying to say.
Perhaps you could clarify: What are you actually attempting to argue for or against here?
Is it concerning ABIOGENESIS or EVOLUTION?
Is it AGAINST the possibility of it naturally occurring or FOR the fact that it must be designed?
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Regardless of which of the above you are trying to convey, I'd like to point out that this has no connection to any specific deity or religion. Nada, zip.
Hypothetically, even if it were somehow conclusively proven to be intelligent design, that "designer" could be anything. It could be Xenu, the tyrant ruler of the Galactic Confederacy (Scientology), it could be Brahma (Hinduism) or it could be Allah (Islam). It could be just a glob of sentient energy that started an experiment, then got bored and left.
You are essentially arguing for an undefined entity that has no connection at all to morality, customs or traditions. No connection to an afterlife, baptizing, praying, sin and so on.
To continue my train of thought... Since you have no specific "intelligent designer" connected to any of this, you get the ever repeating questions:
- Since that designer have to be more advanced/complex than what it has created. Where did this designer come from? How could this intelligent designer have become?
This is where you start reaching for your Bible... But the "intelligent design" argument has no connection to the Bible or any other equally unproven and questionable religious scriptures. So it has nothing to contribute in this matter.
Furthermore, this is merely the "God of the gaps" argumentation.
Just because you, or lets say: the entire human race, does not know "how" and can't even imagine "how", does not mean that a "god" was involved. A hundred years ago, you wouldn't have been using concepts like nanomachines and proteins in your arguments. You would be using older knowledge (or older disinformation) to try to turn against science.
Like Neil deGrasse Tyson said (taken from memory, so it's probably not verbatim):
"If that's how you want to play the game, then your god is an ever receding pocket of ignorance"
EDITED TO ADD:
In short: You are using knowledge acquired by science, to argue for something completely unscientific!
http://reasonandscience.heavenforum.org/t77-who-created-god
Seriously? You link to your massive disinformation site where "who created god" is resolved from the Bible...
This, after I wrote:
"This is where you start reaching for your Bible... But the "intelligent design" argument has no connection to the Bible or any other equally unproven and questionable religious scriptures. So it has nothing to contribute in this matter."
This certainly shows how utterly weak your arguments are.
If the Bible is all you have, then you have nothing but "Faith", as in "Belief without evidence". So why not just admit that to yourself and embrace that your beliefs require "a leap of faith"?
That would be a lot more honest and respectable.
The hypocrisy and absurdity of trying to justify faith with science, while simultaneously trying to undermine the very system that has provided that information, is flabbergasting.
(Not to mention, counterproductive)
http://reasonandscience.heavenforum.org
well lets see:
not much reason, or science and heaven isn't real, so that just leave 'forum'.
And since about 98% of the posts on that site are from you, that isn't much of a forum.
Perhaps a new domain name is in order?
Also your topless girl chat room ads are missing? Honestly that was the best part of your site.