Could any of my fellow primates that live in the US, tell me if this is media garbage and sensationalism or has the state of Alabma effectively banned abortions?!?!?!
I've just seen a few articles online and its staggering, especially when they turned down exceptions such as rape and incest.
This is simply as staggering as it is disgusting, if true.
The icing on the cake was an image on one article with some world class oxygen thief outside a court with a sign saying "Mary chose life!"
Bloody hell!
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@ RH
There is already a pregnant, raped 11 year old in Alabama they are saying must carry the rapists baby to term...how fucked up are these so called christians?
I did read that these laws wont come into effect as they will be appealed to the Supreme Court ...but then if they win the whole Roe vs Wade decision is screwed and women become chattels of their masters once more....
I cannot see that being a decision that women of the United States would welcome. On the other hand Canada would certainly receive a multi billion boost to its medical tourist economy as would Mexico....
Ha ha ha ha ha ha..... frigging inbred christian incestual rednecks.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/alabama-senate-passes-abortion...
Like everything else in Alabama, the residents will simply go into the neighboring states to get things they want or need.
I think Georgia just passed a law that if women travel interstate for an abortion they will be liable to prison upon their return....
Just how many women in Georgia would take the risk and stay in another state instead of returning there? I understand that it would be an hardship to these women but it would be very funny to see Georgia devoid of her female population.
The law would be almost impossible to enforce fortunately. Kind of like trying enforce a marijuana ban at DIA (Denver international airport,) which would be hopeless at best, to impossibly expensive to enforce if it was even possible.
Only thing a woman would have to do to not get caught is to not formally announce that she is pregnant and/or visit a doctor. An unlikely prospect if the woman is seriously considering abortion.
It is a weak and pathetic attempt on anti choicers to try and fix the problem that all their BS arguments amounts to picking on poor vulnerable women instead of the richer stronger independent women that has more privilege and could easily go out of state or better yet out of country to exercise their rights to their own body.
A private clinic (with no crazies holding signs and harrassing people in the parking lot) no wait times, no enforced wait period, utmost privacy, etc. This is how the rich get abortions.
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So should men by the sound of it. This is shameful stuff.
The men that push this law should stay there. And then we should build that wall... around Alabama and Georgia.
So if i understand well... the whole abortion debate is more about controlling women that to care about the eventual child(ren)? Southern USA sickens me.
The other American states will be thinking "Thank god for Alabama" (rather than the more usual Mississippi), because Alabama makes their states look good by comparison.
Neighboring Georgia just passed a similar law which states that a woman can’t get an abortion once a fetal heartbeat is detected. That usually occurs around 11 weeks. I think this is all bullshit because it’s being pushed by christians who care nothing about the children after they are born. As for Alabama, we visit there twice a year for a sporting event. I shit you not there are more southern gospel stations there than country, or classic rock, or mainstream radio. On Sunday morning, forget about it, unless you want to listen to that vile, nauseating, gospel bullshit.
More like 6 weeks for their crazy/insane heartbeat bill. And because it is very easy for a woman to miss the fact she is pregnant in the first 6 weeks, (especially poor women that are working 3 jobs and cannot afford to buy a bunch of expensive pregnancy tests...) And ofcourse it is not even a real heart beat which makes this law even more insane..
@ Pirate Jack
Yeah exactly, what about the rights of the child post birth? What about their right to a decent education? I suppose they're just thankful for more innocent minds to corrupt IDK...
But while we are on the subject.... How can Christian women support this? I'm not saying that they all do by the way, but for the one's who do... Where is their empathy for women who find themselves in this position? How can they put the physical and emotional wellbeing of the mother to one side, especially in the case of women who are pregnant through rape? I just don't get it.
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Sadly, I live in a state full of narrow-minded, ignorant, bible-thumping, religious idiots.... *hanging head in shame*...
Hold your head up high Tin. You are our favourite atheist and your good wife too, in deepest darkest bible belt land.
Any shame belongs to your medieval neighbours who support this barbaric bronze age legislation.
The majority of abortions in 2015 took place early in gestation: 91.1% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (7.6%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation. In 2015, 24.6% of all abortions were early medical abortions (a non-surgical abortion at ≤8 weeks’ gestation). The percentage of abortions reported as early medical abortions increased 114% from 2006 to 2015, with an 8% increase from 2014 to 2015. Source: Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2015. MMWR Surveill Summ 2018;67(No. SS-13).
The law bans most abortions in the state after a fetal heartbeat is detected — which can be as early as six weeks into a pregnancy, before many women. are even aware that they're pregnant.
John Oliver Takes On Georgia Heartbeat Bill With Help From “Baby Fetus”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRauXXz6t0Y
@Randomhero1982 & thread.
They have not effectively banned abortion yet, they just approved it today, 5/15. It will be at least another 6 months before it could go in effect. It is expected to be challenged before the ban actually goes into effect. And that is actually the whole point. To try and "force" SCOTUS to hear the case so they can amend/strike down the nearly 50 year old roe v wade.
The republican elite know that Roe V Wade is the golden goose that lays golden eggs of millions of free one issue voters on a national level. But more localized state level republican politicians know in very conservative bible belt states their constitutions demand more as they ever so slowly realize they have been strung along on this for nearly 50 years with their votes being used without any real signs of progress on their views that they voted them in for.
My guess is in the end SCOTUS will have to hear the case, but they will drag it out over years, and in the end do little if anything and just blame democrats, and try to punt the issue back to the states.
Overall more people support Roe V Wade as is, with a fairly wide margin then disprove of it.
Actually examining the abortion debate will yield little if anything new since nearly 50 years ago. Worse still for the anti choicers is that abortion rates have been in steady decline for decades except in states with little if any access to abortion clinics. Taking the issue to the national level outside the comfortable environs of the bible belt and democrats could easily rake any republican over the coals with facts evidence and history. Giving democrats an easy win and a humiliating loss for republicans.
The ultra conservative bases in Alabama and Georgia demand their politicians to do it, so they do. But on a national level they have no ground on which to stand on. And as long as abortion is available in a neighboring state it is not a very effective ban, more just making abortion more expensive to people that live in these states, and that is about it. Kind of like: if I want to buy an AR-15 tomorrow with no waiting period or background check I just drive to a location that allows those kind of sales.
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Thank you Logic, the article I read briefly before starting work didnt detail going ons that well, which is why I thought I'd ask.
It's still lunacy!
So much for separation of church and state.
It makes me profoundly sad. I grieve this loss of a person’s right to privacy.
@Talyyn
For alot of people, it isn't really about the babies/fetuses. The goal is to try to stop women from being promiscuous via banning "a form of birth control". The idea is that forcing pregnant women to give birth will make them less likely to sleep around as much.
How do i know this? I live in the bible belt and used to be pro-life.
Something my wife posted on FB earlier today that made me chuckle...
(Paraphrasing) Since people seem to find it necessary to take away a woman's rights to her own body in the name of God, perhaps Viagra should be made illegal for men. After all, if the dick is broke, it must be God's will for it to be broke. Taking a pill to fix the broke dick would be going against God's will.
She also saw this on another site: "Damn! Alabama is so bad they are having to force people to be born there."
@ Tin-Man
If they banned Viagra, that would be a hard pill to swallow.
Would banning it be taking the soft option?
I'll stop now.
The ‘pro-lifers’ have the same medical competence as the anti-vaxers and are actively trying to INCREASE FETAL & MATERNAL DEATHS!
The estimates of pregnant women experiencing violence range from 16-25%! In all of the ‘Pro-Life’ stories about the babies ‘rescued’, I have never heard of anyone ASKING THE MOTHER IF SHE WAS SAFE. The number of unborn children who die because of violence against the mother are approximately equal to the abortion rate. That doesn’t include the death rate to the women. They are apparently unimportant. Funny that I almost never hear a bit of concern about that from the ‘pro-lifers.’
Per the NIH, about 1/3 to ½ of fetal and maternal deaths are preventable through prenatal care. What is the current ‘administration’ and the Catholic Church working against – access to health care for women. The percentage of abortions performed because of medical reasons is about 20%. Doctor’s are not God. They cannot save everyone. Sometimes they have to choose which one they can save. The South American OB/GYN’s recently petitioned the Church to relax its antiabortion stance as they were sick of seeing the resultant carnage.
I have been researching the demographics on abortion – some ‘fun’ facts –Most women who have abortions are older women stressed to the max caring for family members and literally having to decide who lives and who dies. The number of abortions is at a record low since Roe vs. Wade. The number of abortions in this country is 1 per 70 Catholics. Out of 70 Catholics no one is willing to help one desperate woman? The lady on the Women’s Rally bus agreed. She had a friend considering an abortion because she was overwhelmed. She went to all the churches in town and could find only two people who were willing to help her.
The neo-natal and maternal death rates in this country is appalling because of lack of access to pre-natal/Gyn care. Making abortion illegal does not decrease the abortion rate it only increases the maternal death rate. The suicide rate among poor white rural women is climbing rapidly – maybe due to unwanted pregnancies and no choice in whether or not to become pregnant in the first place and opiate addiction
Catholic women have more abortions than the average. (Wishful thinking is not a substitute for contraception.)
Now where did I put my credit card to make a donation to Hillary and Planned Parenthood? Also a first, I never donate to political campaigns or to PP before now. You all convinced me otherwise. I hope you had fun at your big party in Washington. The pro-life movement can be summarized as ‘only men are allowed to kill unborn children and the women too while they are at it. If we complain, they will restrict access to health care and REALLY jack up the death rate.
These are the people who just voted on this in Alabama. Notice any themes in the picture?
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@CyberLN
Old white men?
@Cyber Re: "Notice any themes in the picture?"
Hmmm.... Well, for starters, the term "Self-rightous pricks" comes to mind.
@Cyber
My guess - they all wish they were the prophet Muhammed (PBUH) or a 1990s era Catholic priest.
Or it could be that none of them own a polo shirt.
....or or or or, I think I've got it, they all act like they are racially pure right down to the white sheets on Saturday night, but going back generations to when their ancestors owned slaves each of their families has a dirty little secret they don't like to discuss, and none of them have submitted DNA on ancestry.com
.....one more possibility, all of their wives were virgin brides and all of them wish they still were virgins.
Sorry, but I just love that picture. Let's play a game. Top 3 most likely to be a pedophile.
I'm going with:
1. Middle Row #6
2. Bottom Row #2
3. Top Row #7
Opinions? It was really hard to get down to a top 3 and a case could be made for so many others.
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