Al-fatihah came from debate.org, where he is known simply as fatihah, to do what he has been doing there for the past 7 years- post nonsense arguments based on logical fallacies and circular reasoning and post incoherent responses when someone calls him out. See his debate.org account for referance:
http://www.debate.org/Fatihah/
Here he uses the same absurd conclusions. The same incoherent posts, an he same stupid bullshit. You will see him talk about the 'Quran challenge' on debate.org as well.
Don't get too mad at him though, the average IQ in Muslim countries is 82, and this poor deluded monkey man has been brainwashed to top off his low intelligence.
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I doubt very much that the average IQ in muslin nations is 82. I don't think that you can actually find the average IQ of everyone in every islamic nation. Most muslims I know and have met with exception of tribespeople have been well educated and are very intelligent. Even the tribespeople show exceptional aptitude for learning are very smart in their own right.
My neighbor and friend who is Ismaili islamic has a Ph.D. and so does his 3 adult children.
I would venture to guess that the average IQ of almost every nation is about the same with exception to places like Afghanistan. Even then the people there are not dumb. I would put them up against southern rural Americans any day!
Now I don't know anything about Al-Fatihah. So I can't comment on him. I just wanted to point out to you that you painted a broad picture of people who live in islamic ruled nations that are inaccurate and untrue.
I hate the Irani regime but the people there are highly educated. Usually better educated than the average American.
Actually the average IQ in Saudi Arabia is 84, and 83 in Syria. The Muslims you met may have been well educated, but not the ones I have had the displeasure of communicating with. The Muslims from the backwoods parts of the Islamic world tend to be borderline retarded.
I think it has to do with their culture- the culture of a nation affects what people pass on their genetics. Muslims have thinned out all their skeptics for the past 1400 years and have completely stamped out logical thought from their cultures.
The west used to be the same way back in the dark ages- all intelligent Christians were encouraged to become celebrate, and skepticism was discouraged under threat of death. The result was an extremely stupid population, and this was only fixed after the rennissiance and enlightenment changed the culture of the west and the black plague thinned out the stuppider part of our population.
@Harry Truman
History tells us that during the Dark Ages, the christian world dumbed down due to religion and the suppression of knowledge, but the islamic world progressed in science and math. It is a hallmark of islam to increase knowledge in science and math. Even the most extreme sects of islam practice furthering knowledge if only for men.
I think that you have a propagandized view of the intellect of the islamic world. I fought in Iraq and in Afghanistan. I fought with the Kurds and many islamic tribes both sunni and shia. All practiced education of their men even though suppressed educating women. So culturally you are half wrong. Men are demanded to become educated in islam. I question your numbers on the general IQ of the Saudis and Syrians. What is your source? I would guess that the average IQ of at least the male populations of both those nations is higher than the general IQ of people in the USA.
For a little period around the 11th Century the Muslims supported research and knowledge, but all before and after that they sought to destroy it. This is why they destroyed the library of Alexandria in 642:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria
Today, people are still executed in Islamic countries for nor accepting their religion- thus discouraging rational thought.
I don't know why you have such a soft spot for Islam- they believe the same ridiculous shit as Christians and try to put it into law as well.
I'll tell you why Harry.
Like you I don't believe the islamic shit either, BUT I don't like how the common muslim is vilified like Blacks and Hispanics have been and are vilified.
I have been to many islamic nations. I have lived, fought, and survived with many different types of muslims. In the USA and Western Europe, muslims are unjustly persecuted and vilified. It has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with outright racism.
That's why Harry. I don't like racism of any kind. So yeah, I defend muslims more than christians. christians are not being persecuted especially racially. And before you go on about islamic terrorism, know first that there are far more muslim victims of radical jihadist that all the other types put together.
So when you say that muslims have a low IQ or they want to kill everyone that isn't muslim and things like that it is really just vilifying INNOCENT PEOPLE. It's racism.
Granted I doubt that you are a racist of ANY kind. Even though racism is a stalwart hallmark of conservatism. Libertarian believe in financial racism though they won't admit it.
But if you lived, slept, drank, ate, and fought alongside muslims, you'd have a different understanding that what you have now.
For example, I could go right now into ANY islamic home even if they are ISIL terrorist and demand to be fed, by their law they would HAVE to feed me and let me go. I have done that very thing in Afghanistan. It is more than a custom it is a commandment from their prophet mohammed. They would have to protect me with their life.
You are absolutely correct about rational thought. Radicals have perverted Islam for their own political agenda. Just like christians. Just like jews. Just like every religion the world has ever known to include pre-colombiam America!
I think that your dates are a little off. For example, the Moors were considered the most sophisticated society in the world until the late 1400s when they were eradicated from southern Spain!
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I'll tell you why Harry.
I'll tell you why Harry.
Like you I don't believe the islamic shit either, BUT I don't like how the common muslim is vilified like Blacks and Hispanics have been and are vilified.
I'll tell you why Harry. I'll tell you why Harry. Like you I don't believe the islamic shit either, BUT I don't like how the common muslim is vilified like Blacks and Hispanics have been and are vilified."
Islam is an ideology, not a race- so vilifying Muslims isn't quite the same. Granted, it is intellectually dishonest to generalize an entire group of people, but I never claimed every Muslim was a terrorist. I said Muslim Theocracies tend to have lower IQs, which makes sense and is founded on evidence. The south, for example, is only part way theocratic, and look at the effect their religiosity has had on their intelligence. Religion kills brain cells, so the more religious a nation is, the dumber it will be, especially if that religion is put into law. Any population dumb enough to go along with that can't be to smart.
"That's why Harry. I don't like racism of any kind. So yeah, I defend muslims more than christians. christians are not being persecuted especially racially. And before you go on about islamic terrorism, know first that there are far more muslim victims of radical jihadist that all the other types put together."
Islam is an ideology not race- so generalizing Muslims is actually more like you generalizing conservatives. When you are talking about a group of people defined by their shared beliefs, it is safe to make generalizations based on those beliefs. Either way, most Muslims live right next for to Muslims, so obviously most victims of terrorism are going to be Muslims.
"Granted I doubt that you are a racist of ANY kind. Even though racism is a stalwart hallmark of conservatism. Libertarian believe in financial racism though they won't admit it."
I guess your racist against libertarians then- oh wait, that's right, libertarianism is not a race. And what do you mean by financial racism? Is that even a thing?
"Radicals have perverted Islam for their own political agenda. Just like christians. Just like jews. Just like every religion the world has ever known to include pre-colombiam America!"
Islam was founded by a radical who invented it for his own political agenda- it never started put as anything different. Muhammad was no less than a master con artist. He essentially invented the "I'll sell you the Brooklyn Bridge" scam by promising them eternal paradise for joining his army.
"Ithink that your dates are a little off. For example, the Moors were considered the most sophisticated society in the world until the late 1400s when they were eradicated from southern Spain!"
The Muslims invaded southern Spain in the first place. They were driven out just as the British were driven out of America. I learned about this stuff when I was researching Karaite Judaism- The Islamic golden age was between the 11th and 12th Century.
I know that islam is not a race but the same prejudices and act of out right racism are the same. That is why I chose that term.
Financial racism is a thing. It denotes institutional bias against certain demographics.
I am not technically prejudiced against libertarianism although I am against the idealism of libertarianism let's not drag this thread down into that issue.
Like I said I don't much if anything about your friend that you started this thread about. From what I have seen he is a radical moron. He may be responsible for the spamming that has occurred on the forum for the last few weeks. I don't really know.
He is obviously filled with hate and doesn't represent islam, just like the radical terrorist that falsely claim that their devotion drives them to terrorism and like christian anti-abortion idiots that bomb medical facilities.
Pro-life
NRA
Radical islamic
Christian militia
Skinheads
Aryans
White supremest
Cyber terrorist
and many more are the same in my book to include the tea party assholes that scream an indignation that is false.
Yes, the Moors invaded Spain, but Spain wasn't really a nation at the time. There were hundreds of little kingdoms ununified. The only unified group were the Moors. They were the first to stabilize Spain. They provided sanctuary to jews that were being persecuted. To gypsies and other persecuted groups. They were the most tolerant and sophisticated people of their time. They even provided schools for girls, hospitals for all, even veterinary surgeries. They provided safe harbors and protected trade from pirates. They fed the poor and the needy with no regard to their race religion nationality language sex age or politics. The Moors first came to Europe as mercenaries. Italian principalities in endless wars with their neighbors brought them over to win their little feudal wars for them. They stayed and enriched the culture. Their architecture is some of the finest to this day. One of the things that they brought were Arabian horses, which by all accounts are the finest horses in the world. American Mustangs can trace their bloodlines straight back to the Arabian that were brought to Spain by the Moors.
The Muslims invaded Spain by slaughtering thousands of Spaniards and subjugating the native spainish. In no way did they enrich the culture, they tried to destroy it.
And yes, that idiot is a good representation of Islam as are ISIS- like I said, Muhammad was the first Islamic terrorist. He invented the religion to justify and order exactly what ISIS is doing- spread his cult at the edge of a sword and subjugate all other groups. Christians who blow up abortion clinics may not be good representations of Jesus, but they sure as hell are of the Old Testament
How about Algebra, decimal fractions, trigonometry, positional notation? In fact; almost all the math you have probably ever learned is essentially "Islamic Math".
Nyarlathotep: "almost all the math you have probably ever learned is essentially "Islamic Math"
"Algebra" and "arithmetic" are both Arabic words. Although the so-called "Arabic numerals," including the concept of zero, appear to have originated in India, we should certainly be grateful to the Moors for bringing them to Europe. Imagine balancing a check book or building a spreadsheet using Roman numerals.
The library established by the Moors in Cordoba, Spain, was a magnet for scholars from all over the medieval world.
We had math before the Muslims- how do you think the Romans built what they did?
@Harry Truman: ”how do you think the Romans built what they did?”
Imagine what they could have achieved with Arabic numerals.
Notice: no one claimed that Muslims invented mathematics. But you just couldn't resist propping up a strawman so you could knock it down could you?
Is this a justification for the slaughter of innocents?
@Harry
"The Muslims invaded Spain by slaughtering thousands of Spaniards and subjugating the native spainish. In no way did they enrich the culture, they tried to destroy it.
1) Spain wasn't a nation at the time the Moors entered the Iberian peninsula.
2) There was no law, no education, no medical treatment, nothing but a lawless land of various warlords. The Moors ended that era and brought law, medicine, education to what is now Spain. They didn't destroy anything!
ISIL terrorists are no different than christian radicals.
Harry's version of history makes about as much sense as saying that Cao Cao defeated Hitler at the battle of Minas Tirith.
They did destroy things- they killed thousands of Spaniards to acquire that territory. And yes, they are different, because no one takes Christian radicals seriously, few Christians support them. Whereas I believe more than half European Muslims say they would not report a terrorist.
Not really Harry. There was essentially nothing to destroy or really anyone to fight. The fact is when the Moors came to Iberia many "Spaniards"(There wasn't a Spain at the time), flocked to the Moors for protection from lawless warlords and bandits.
All that was in the Iberian lands at the time were fragmented elements of Goths and Visigoths, some disaffected jews, Basque, Castillian, Flamencos, and endless amounts of bandits. The Moors came and settled the land. The built the finest cities in Europe at the time. They were builders, not destroyers.
After the Moors were exiled from Spain the Spanish Inquisition began which was essentially christians murdering everybody.
@Mykcob4: "Libertarian believe in financial racism"
What does that mean?
Harry Truman,
I'm sure that most of the muslim research and knowledge should be attributed to their Jewish collaborators instead of to desert Arabs. Nomadic Middle Eastern desert life isn't conducive to scientific and technological breakthroughs.
IQ is already an average. The average of X, when X is already an average; don't make a lot of sense.
@Harry Truman
Crying throughout the web because you have been exposed and utterly refuted, to the point where you create a thread dedicated in my name on a completely different site in hopes to redeem yourself is just simply too flattering for me. Thanks.
As you were.
@Al-Fatihah
And just where when and how did YOU "expose" Harry Truman?