i have studied extensively both view points and i choose christianity over atheism agnosticism humanism secularism because when to whom do you go to when you are empty inside when you run out of answers jesus comforts a broken heart he understands because he experienced all of the above.his words have captivated people over centuries of wars and crime and natural disasters.his is the biggest following over all faiths.he is the way the truth the light.if the world would just try to let jesus be its example on how to live great things could be done.imagine a world today without christianity.it would be nihilist only living for the here and now to get what i want when i want and by any means.no sympathy or compassion a complete nihilist existence.yes jesus does mean alot to humanity.come to jesus blow the dust off your bibles and have a personnel relationship with the lors and master it would change your life.
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may the love of jesus be in your heart love your neighbor as yourself,and love god with all your heart, soul strength and mind your whole fabric.love is patient love is kind.the real attributes of a follower of christ.
"Love is patient love is kind.the real attributes of a follower of christ."
No. Those are the attributes of decent people. Christians don't have a monopoly on them. How kind would you be without the incentive of everlasting bliss in heaven? How good would you be without the threat of hell hanging over you? Try to understand that people can be good and live good lives without Jesus, Jehovah, Allah, Zeus, etc.
Christians do not own compassion, , charity, or selflessness. To think so is delusional.
Nothing has failed.
Apparently Jesus can teach you love and hope, but not proper grammar.
I honestly feel insulted when people assume atheists will turn to praying or jesus when faced with a dilemma we can't handle. Its like saying "you are all talk and bullshit you really do believe in god you just want to be a sinner". When faced with a dilemma it honestly never even occurs to me to pray.
"When faced with a dilemma it honestly never even occurs to me to pray."
In time of stress, surprise or irritation, I sometimes find myself saying things like "Holy shit," "Jesus F***ing Christ," and "Oh for god's sake get up the speed limit or pull over." Does that count as praying? I'm trying to switch to anglo-saxon words about body parts and functions, but old habits die hard.
Sentence enhancers such as those may happen from time to time. But I choose to interpret this as my subconscious overflowing with so much wit that it chose to include sarcasm in my statements without consulting my conscious mind.
Sentence enhancers such as those may happen from time to time. But I choose to interpret this as my subconscious overflowing with so much wit that it chose to include sarcasm in my statements without consulting my conscious mind.
" ...i choose christianity... "
There's your problem. I could choose to believe in fairy tales too but I like to believe in things that make sense. Actually, that's a lie, I can't choose to believe in anything. I tried to believe in Ra and Mafdet but that didn't work either. It's like choosing to believe that the moon is made of cheese. Or choosing to believe that the earth is flat. Why don't you just choose to believe that religion is a con? At least everything else will support that conclusion.
@ skeptical christian
- "he is the way the truth the light."
How confident do you feel about your faith?
Do you hope that Jesus walked on water?
Do you think that Jesus walked on water?
Do you know that Jesus walked on water?
i believe what i read and that jesus who was god could do anything once you go with the premise that jesus was god why limit god?he also transfigured himself on the mountain and he sacrificed his life for all.yes this i whole heart believe.
The story of Jesus is one of the most immoral tales I have ever read. The god in this story has already committed genocide more than once. The Celestial Stalin! Then he decides to breed his own sacrificial victim to add to all the sheep,cattle,doves he threw onto the barbeque pit in the Old Testament. He allows his own son to be tortured and then painfully murdered. Why? Because He loves us! He wants us to love each other and sets the example of mass genocide, filliacide, threats of burning in fire for eternity if I don't appreciate his murderous behavior. Christianity is one of the greatest death cults in history (along side Islam).
Silly Christians! Don't you know that bathing in blood is not healthy!
i`m sorry that you feel this way about christians since humanity fell into original sin through adam and eve it was necessary for a BLOOD Sacrifice to be done.jesus is not like the stories you read in the old testament he is the love and grace of the new.he showed his great love in healing people of all backgrounds jew and non jew alike.god can`t lie nor can he go against his nature if man sins which is an abomination of god he has to penalize that original sin.jesus said to eat hius flesh and drink his bllod and i gladly do that i follow jesus all the way to eternal life.
Death cultist!
VS
He tried to place a limit on his god AND tried to tell us his god has no liimits. Gods self contradictory nature becomes more apparent each passing moment! Perhaps his name should be Contradiction Man instead:
"Hello, great servan.......err......people of earth! I am Contradiction Man, come to save you from being in the same room with the guy who gave you knowledge! What was his name? Looter? Lighter? Ah, whatever. I'm sure you've noticed by now that there are many other Contradiction Mans who differ from me on some way. I'm here to tell you all of them except me is fake! So follow me. I'll tell you that should you need anything personal aid wise, just put your hands together and talk to yourse--i mean me! Then I'll go back on my word by not helping you and telling you to stop being so stingy. You must also walk around screaming my name in the ears of every person you meet. If the more you do this, the more I like you, to the point that I'll convince your government to give you unfair advantages. If you don't, I'll send you to a place full of fire and torture. Because I love you, and want what's best for you."
Feel free to add on to Contradiction Man's proposition!
Tieler,
Contradiction Man: now demonstrating a contradiction between his omniscience and his confusion about mold and leprosy. [See my thread "Bible Follies: God is Confused About Leprosy and Mold" (07/27/2016 00:53)] which will be followed by a failed attempt to affirm his omniscience! [See my thread "A Tale of Omniscience" 07/16/2016 (05:14)]
But if God made us in his image does that mean God is inclined to sin? Well perhaps not only sin but rather God would be inclined to do whatever he wanted. So God then created a being that was inclined to behave a certain way then told that being not to behave that way. He then condemned that being to horrible suffering and damnation for behaving the way he created it to be. A sin that arguably was not even directly decided upon by the sinners. They were tricked by the serpent. And they had no knowledge so they arguably couldn't even recognize right from wrong. Literally the tree the ate from was the tree of knowledge of right and wrong so it would be literally impossible for them to do the "right thing" so effectively God created these beings so he could torment them for being the way they are...Ugh. The idea of original sin is repugnant and repulsive and if God did exist he is pretty damn sick.
But if God made us in his image does that mean God is inclined to sin? Well perhaps not only sin but rather God would be inclined to do whatever he wanted. So God then created a being that was inclined to behave a certain way then told that being not to behave that way. He then condemned that being to horrible suffering and damnation for behaving the way he created it to be. A sin that arguably was not even directly decided upon by the sinners. They were tricked by the serpent. And they had no knowledge so they arguably couldn't even recognize right from wrong. Literally the tree the ate from was the tree of knowledge of right and wrong so it would be literally impossible for them to do the "right thing" so effectively God created these beings so he could torment them for being the way they are...Ugh. The idea of original sin is repugnant and repulsive and if God did exist he is pretty damn sick.
skeptical christian,
By the way, this is a debate forum--not a pulpit! You do know the difference, don't you?
i will pray for you i mean to not annoy you but please use appropriate language.i follow jesus christ and so do more then 2 billion people.that is a pretty sizeable following, don`t you think.to wish me death is strong language i don`t really think you mean that, your just for some reason don`t like my following jesus christ.
@ skeptical christian
1) Praying FOR someone is nothing more than a condescending arrogant act. It's an insult.
2) Jack daniel used appropriate language. You cannot dictate what people say or how they say it.
Skeptica!l christian: Who is wishing you death. If you misunderstood me , I said you were a member of a death cult. I mean you no harm.
Skeptical Christian
I'm not sure how you got that from what I said. I in no way wish you death. I don't wish you harm. Or even ill will. I was expressing my disgust at the thought of original sin which you mentioned earlier. I'm just pointing out the God of the bible would not be a just person at all. More like a person that tortures animals just cause the mood strikes him.
@ skeptical christian
While you answered my question, "yes this i whole heart believe", you kind of didn't answer at the same time by asking: "..why limit god?"
I don't understand what you mean by asking that to me: why limit god?
I'll rephrase my question:
How confident are you in your beliefs in Jesus, like that he walked on water, from 0% to 100% confidence?
In your reply to me here: http://www.atheistrepublic.com/comment/42845
You said that you became interested in religion at 26 years old.
You say you became interested, but does that mean that you became convinced at some later point?
"You say you became interested, but does that mean that you became convinced at some later point?"
Wouldent that be back-asswards from the norm?
You suggest that you extensively studied atheism and christianity.
Please tell me why didn't you study Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Jainism ? Since you have brought the comparison down to two (christianity and Atheism) and have found christianity to be more fitting as it fills the voids in human hearts and because jesus is love and compassion.
Pray tell me why didn't you feel the same of Ram & Krishna, or Buddha (Buddhism) or Mahavira (Jainism) or Vahe Guru (Sikhism) and so on.
What made you decide that Jesus was the only righteous path ?
I postulate it was the accident of your Birth (Accident of being born in a christian family in a christian dominant country)
Now contrary to your opinion I too have read religious scripture in the thirst to know God in my more faithful days and I found only a lack of God. In fact not only was God impossible but even Jesus became more and more improbable.
The emptiness in my heart was a result of religion. Once I let go of my pain of religion I was set free. Now in my time of need I turn to myself, My family, My friends who I know exist and do hear me.
Prove it! Prove jesus ever existed!
Prove there is or ever was a god!
Prove that jesus was resurrected!
Prove that prayer does anything more than act like a placebo to people that engage in it!
Christianity has killed, murdered, enslaved, molested, raped, stolen from, more people than any other factor in world history. So don't hand be down your bullshit lies about peace, love, and compassion.
Go away and find a new place to proselytize.
BTW your icon isn't a picture of jesus. Its a made up cartoon of a white man. If there was a jesus (and its highly unlikely), he would have been a nappy headed black gay man that stole begged and borrowed his entire life.
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