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@tin man exactly! This is why we bring snacks lol
HAL's "Atheism in reality says, "There's no need for a creator (I'm all you need)"" line seems very similar to Vince Garbo's "I understand that atheists believe that there is no creator and there was no creation." line in the thread OP.
@Sapporo Re: HAL and Vince
Well, you know the old saying, "Birds of a feather..."
@ TM
"Well, you know the old saying, "Birds of a feather..."TROLL together??"
"I understand that atheists believe that there is no creator and there was no creation."
What do you think about this statement? Is it wrong? What's wrong about it? Do atheists believe there IS a creator?
How about a little content?
I've already answered you in this thread, as have others.
You keep insisting on the same STUPID SHIT over and over and over. Atheists do not believe that there is no god. Atheists do not believe there is no God. Atheists do not believe there is no god. Just keep reading the last sentence over and over and over until you get it. This would be a statement of fact and it would require facts and evidence supporting it. If you want to know whether or not we believe in your God you have to tell us what in the hell you are talking about when you say "God."
Atheists do not believe in god or gods. This is because theists have not met their burden of proof. It's just that simple. If there was a creation or a creator and you want atheists to believe it, YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT.
@Vince Grabo
"I understand that atheists believe that there is no creator and there was no creation."
What do you think about this statement? Is it wrong? What's wrong about it? Do atheists believe there IS a creator?
How about a little content?"
1) The common definition for an atheist is a lack of belief in a god, not that there there is no god.
2) The common definition for an atheist is a lack of belief in a god, not that there is no creator.
3) The common definition for an atheist is a lack of belief in a god, not that there was no creation.
Hal: If the evidence can be "shot down" it does not qualify as evidence.
No one has yet denied the God you believe in exists. Think about it. You have never defined your god. If you think your version of the God Creator of the Universe exists, let's hear about it.
Rich? I am a Professor and Counselor at a university, I'm hardly rich. I challenge you to find someone who is getting Rich off of Atheism. I think Richard Carrier is making a living. Dawkins has a life and had a life before Atheism. Hitchens was well famous before atheism ever established itself as a movement. Who are these people who are getting rich. Please compare them to Ted Haggard, Ray Comfort,
David Oyedepo – Net worth: $150 Million (Nigeria) Bishop David Oyedepo founded the Living Faith
T.B. Joshua Net Worth 2018 – $10 Million
Billy Graham Net Worth 2018 – $25 Million
Kenneth Copeland Net Worth 2018 – $25 Million
Creflo Dollar Net Worth 2018 – $27 Million
E. A .Adeboye Net Worth 2018 – $39 Million
Benny Hinn Net Worth 2018 – $42 Million
Chris Oyakhilome Net Worth 2018 – $50 Million
Bishop T.D. Jakes Net Worth 2018 – $147 Million
Bishop David Oyedepo Net Worth 2018 – $150 Million
Kent Hovind net worth is $2.5 Million
Ray Comfort Net Worth is $19 Million
Please find a comparable Atheist.
Are you bragging or complaining?
Those guys get rich by adding value to people's lives. Atheists can't do that.
Oh, Vince, you’re wrong again. So many of the atheists here add value to my life (and I’m a people!). My husband, children, and grandchildren add value to my life and the lives of each other and they are atheist.
No, CyberLN, I'm right.
The topic was people making money. You make money by creating commercial value. Atheists can't make commercial value because nobody wants to hear their ideas. Nobody is buying atheism.
@Vince Re: "Nobody is buying atheism."
Whoa! Wait just a damn minute! That's not true! I have you know I paid $29.99 for my "Atheist For Life Club" membership card! And the nice man who sold it to me said I could present it (and two dollars) at ANY convenience store anywhere and get a free cup of coffee.... as many times as I want.... FOR LIFE! So, HAH! Take THAT, Mr. Smartie Pants. Hey, membership has its priveleges. So don't go being all jealous. It's very unbecoming of you.
@ Vince Grabo
*wipes eyes and trouser legs* Ah Vince, thanks for that. That has got to be the funniest comment on these forums for days..*splutters as Captain Cat stalks off in disgust, tail waving*
Seriously? Vince *gags with laughter* Vince,.... Mate, *hangs on to chair* Vince..*gives up, lies back hollering with laughter*
Nice sarcasm. Why don't you explain what you think is incorrect about my statement in a meaningful, grown up, intelligent way?
If as you say no one is buying atheism, why are there authors made famous for writing books decrying theism? Polemicists like the late Christopher Hitchens didn't seem to sell any less books when they chose to write about theism and why they were atheists.
"According to sociologists Ariela Keysar and Juhem Navarro-Rivera's review of numerous global studies on atheism, there are 450 to 500 million positive atheists and agnostics worldwide (7% of the world's population), "
That's a large demographic to tap into, and atheists are staring to wake up to the danger and harm that theism has done and can do. They're no longer content to sit by in silence.
@Vince Re: "Those guys get rich by adding value to people's lives. Atheists can't do that."
ROFLMAO.... *gasping for breath*.... Stop!.... *deeeep breath*... Oh-dear-lord, stop!... *cough-cough-cough*.... You're killing me, dude!... Bwaaaaa-haaaa-haaaa...!.... *arms folded over stomach*.... Oh, my tummy!.... *trying to catch breath*.... Oh, mercy! Damn, man. Careful! Keep this up and you just might be in the running with AJ777 for the most ridiculous bullshit ever posted on the internet. Oh, dear!.... Phewwwww.... *blowing nose*... *wiping tears from eyes*....
You too, Tin Man.
Nice sarcasm. Why don't you explain what you think is incorrect about my statement in a meaningful, grown up, intelligent way?
@Vince Re: "You too, Tin Man. Nice sarcasm. Why don't you explain what you think is incorrect about my statement in a meaningful, grown up, intelligent way?"
*on floor curled up in fetal position*.... *dialing 9-1-1 with shakey finger and blurry eyes*.... *trying to catch breath*.... *operator answers phone*... "9-1-1. What is your emergency?".... *me gasping for air*... help... medics.... need oxygen... can't... stop... laughing... *phone drops from hand as another fit of laughter begins*..... *operator on other end of line*... "Hello? Sir?... Are you okay?... Hello?...."
Vince Grabo: "Nice sarcasm. Why don't you explain what you think is incorrect about my statement in a meaningful, grown up, intelligent way?"
In response to Old Man's...
Which was in response to your remark...
Vince Grabo: "Those guys get rich by adding value to people's lives. Atheists can't do that."
Which was a response to the net worth of many false prophets.
Here it is again.
Those guys get rich by adding value to people's lives. Atheists can't do that.
Atheists cannot do that?
Ever heard of Bill and Melinda Gates? Their net worth, as of 27 Jan 2019 is $96 billion dollars. And both are ATHEIST.
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has donated more money than ANY religious organization could ever hope to donate. In fact, the B&MGF has donated more money that ALL religious organizations in the USA combined. Look it up. The B&MGF has done more to further the education of America's Youths than all other religious organizations combined.
So much for religion being kind. The reason religion is not donating as much as it could (perhaps should) is because of all your religious leaders keeping most of the donations to their churches for themselves to get rich and "lord" it over the masses.
And explain to me why churches MUST be so extravagant?
Crystal Cathedral
Lakewood Baptist
Why cannot they just be happy with a simple quanset hut and donate the rest of that money to an actual worthy cause?
rmfr
Ofcourse, we know why they build churches as extravagantly as possible, it works. Lots of people assume success = correct and authority.
Just like getting a recent haircut/shave and putting on a custom tailored suit with high end tailor work and materials people tend to automatically assume you are successful, competent and smart. Of Course lots of people are becoming wise to this and increasingly realize those people can be "sharks in a suit."
People are also realizing giant grand cathedrals are hiding something, just need more people to realize that. It is a lot easier these days when as extravagant those churches are, they pale compared to other non religious structures humans have made.
Cognostic: "Please find a comparable Atheist."
Bill and Melinda Gates. Approximate Net Worth = $96 billion as of 27 Jan 2019.
rmfr
Andrew Carnegie
George Soros
William Buffet
I reeeeeeeally wanted to murder millions and barbecue a couple babies for a snack, when I read this...but...
Atheism is not believing in a god. Period. End of definition. People who think critically, question things more so than people that don't, or don't need to. Most atheists question if a god is real and research both sides of this argument. After our research, we have found no reason to believe in any god. Living without your, or any god, is the present default reality, because of lack of evidence. There is not really a purpose to atheism, it is just a choice not to believe in any god...it is just reality...as without evidence, it is not true, or even reasonable. When evidence presents itself for the clear existence of any god, atheism would no longer exist.
Now, did you know that roughly 75% of chickens DNA is identical to human DNA? That's an interesting fact. Why is that? Huh.
Now, you should read about abiogenesis. As the name says, it is the hypothesis of life on this planet.Four different classes of molecules are needed for life.These chemicals are nucleic acids, amino acids, lipids and carbs.Read about abiotic chemistry. Prior to, monomer binding to create polymers, which react to electricity to form simple life of said abiotic chemicals in the form of RNA...read validation from miller-urey, then read about biological evolution,and the father of RNA world, alexander Rich. cellular evolution to protocells, to archaea/bacteria and life progression as we know it from the physical life
fossil record from Archaea on. No chicken, no egg involved...also no reason to think that god was involved at all...especially considering that supernatural things/events contravign the natural laws that define our reality, and do not exist...as opposed to the above explanation.
As everyone on this post has suggested to you, you should really take some time to do some reading and learning.
@Vince Garbo
If you are here to debate, what is your position that you are putting forward to debate? What evidence do you have to support your position?
@vince
I apply xenoview's razor to your claims of a god.
Xenoview's razor
Objective claims requires objective evidence
Provide objective evidence your god is real.
Vince Garbo: "Why don't you respond directly to my point instead of evading it?"
Why don't you go to college and learn. Why are you at an atheist web site asking all manner of questions that have nothing to do with atheism?
BTW: I only got to the second page of this topic before wondering about the above.
rmfr
If you're serious about there being no God, then you have to think about how it's possible that there is no God.
Part of that would be about how life started. My questions are about how life got started.
So how are they not about atheism?
"In nature nothing is created, nothing is lost, everything is transformed." ― Antoine Lavoisier
Vince Grabo: "So how are they not about atheism?"
Seriously dude? I mean really?
Your OP is...
Which you have not done. Atheism is the “lack of or disbelief in any gods”. Period. Exclamation Point!
Even on this last page of posts this is told to you at least twice.
Is English your primary language? What part of “atheism is the lack of or disbelief in any gods” do you NOT understand?
And you still do not seem to understand what you have been told. And why would you go to theists to ask about atheists? Not very intelligent choice there.
“Atheism is the lack of or disbelief in any gods”
Atheism has NOTHING to do with whether there is or is not a creator, NOR whether there was or was not a creation. That is a question for theoretical cosmological physicists. Unless I am mistaken, there is no one here with a degree in such a subject.
“What is the basic explanation for how everything came to be?”
Start here: https://ed.ted.com/lessons/the-beginning-of-the-universe-for-beginners-t...
and here: https://www.everystudent.com/wires/universe.html
and here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
and here: http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-origin-of-the-universe.html
Or do you not know how to a WWW search? Ever heard of Google?
As with all other birds, chickens evolved from the therapoda dinosaurs. And of course the egg came first about 500Ma ago.
rmfr
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